|Volume 69 No. 9
Minutes of the 1255th Meeting
The 1255th meeting of the Chicago Coin Club was called to order
by President John Riley at 6:48 PM CDT, Wednesday August 9, 2023.
This was a hybrid in-person and online meeting.
Attendance at the meeting was 11 members and 1 guest with 20
online, for a total of 32.
Club Meeting Minutes and Treasurer’s Report
The July 2023 meeting minutes were approved as published in the
Chatter, both in print and on the CCC website.
John Riley gave the July period treasurer’s report that
had been prepared and submitted by Elliott Krieter.
It detailed $0 revenue and $110.00 expenses (meeting room
expense) for a period total of -$110.00.
The July report was approved by the club membership.
Scott McGowan reported there were no new membership applications.
One guest, Steven Mills from the Elgin Coin Club, was in
Bill Burd reported on the November auction, stating we have 50
items including CCC and CNS medals.
Bill also noted there were several numismatic books from the
Phil Carrigan estate from past auctions that are at the meeting
Please check them out.
John Riley reported Bob Feiler has agreed to head the holiday
Future Projects Committee – No report.
Virtual Symposium with NYNC update – There has been no
input yet from club members on topics to present.
John Riley indicated he is working on a few ideas.
John Riley reminded CCC members that there will be a Board
meeting August 16, and to submit any issues to a board member if
you have something to be discussed.
John Riley also reminded the club that the board will be
reviewing the Directors and Officers (D&O) insurance quotes
at the board meeting for a vote, to then present to the CCC
membership in September.
Dale Lukanich reported on the 2024 ANA World’s Fair of
Money (WFoM), stating stickers to promote the event were created
and sent to the 2023 (WFoM).
Meetings for the 2024 Host Club Committee will start in
September on the third Wednesday and be online only.
Legacy Committee – No update.
Noah Graf raised a discussion point about the treasurer’s
report, and if a portion of the club funds should be in an
Scott McGowan indicated that the topic had been raised in the
past and could be addressed again at the upcoming board meeting.
Arthur Schattke and Steven Mills presented a comprehensive review
and display on Error Coins with error type descriptions
and many cool examples.
Show and Tell
Second Vice President Deven Kane announced there were 7 Show and
The next meeting will be September 13, 2023 6:45pm CDT at the
Chicago Bar Association.
ILNA Convention will be Sept 7-9, 2023 at the Tinley Park
Convention Center in Tinley Park, Illinois.
John Riley adjourned the meeting at 9:09pm CDT.
Scott A. McGowan,
a presentation by Arthur Schattke and Steven Mills,
to our August 9, 2023 meeting
The program was based upon a PowerPoint presentation written by
Ken Potter and provided courtesy of CONECA, the Combined
Organizations of Numismatic Error Collectors of America.
Starting with the provided script, Arthur Schattke and Steven
Mills added their experience and knowledge to make this long and
informative program an enjoyable experience.
Arthur quickly covered the current die making process (hubs and
dies, both master and working), then he covered the current
minting process (from metal coil to finished coin).
By knowing the production steps, we are better able to identify
where and how a specific error example could be made.
A table of the weights, composition, and tolerances of the
various US coin denominations, along with the corresponding
years, was followed by a table of weights of wrong-stock US
These tables, along with other resources, have been produced by
specialists, based upon years of observations on encountered
error coins; these resources are a great aid in determining the
nature of a particular “odd” piece.
The book Mint Errors to Die For by Joseph P. Cronin
explains more than 250 error coins that escaped the US Mint,
while Strike it Rich with Pocket Change – Error Coins
Bring Big Money by Ken Potter and Dr. Brian Allen, now in
its fifth edition, tries to value the different error types.
The collector base wants error coins that were struck by the
mint – beware of coins with post-mint steps intended to
As for tools, a scale accurate to 0.01grams is needed.
The Hastings Triplet magnifiers are recommended: a 7x or 10x are
good for quickly checking many coins, with a 14x used for closeup
followup examinations; using a 20X for any length of time can be
That was followed by explaining the difference between an error
and a variety (at the risk of over simplifying, a variety
encompasses all coins struck by a die with some distiguishing
markings/defects, while each error coin is a unique result of
something going wrong).
The terminology has changed over the years, as more knowledge has
been built up.
As an example, the terms “Blank” and “Planchet”
were covered – these terms refer to different items.
A blank is the name of a disk punched from a coin strip, while a
planchet is the name of a blank that has been given an upset rim
by being run through an Upset Mill.
The terms “Type-I” and “Type-II” are
holdovers from long ago, although sometimes still used as
synonyms for blank and planchet; the author of this PowerPoint
presentation strongly deprecates the use of the terms Type-I and
Steven told us about the program’s individual error coins,
starting with a 1923-S Lincoln cent; it has streaks and
laminations due to an Improper Alloy Mix of the zinc and tin
with the copper.
More error examples of Lincoln cents followed, including: a 1955
Struck on Damaged Planchet, a 1961 Struck on Split Planchet, and
a 1974-D Struck on Delaminated Planchet.
A piece of Lincoln cent strip with many partially punched out
blanks was shown, followed by a blank showing a slightly
off-center incomplete prior punch (the strip must have been
moved slightly after the first incomplete attempt at punching
out a blank), and then a 1973-D struck on an incompletely punched
One slide showed a group of silver alloy dime-sized blank and
planchet clips, which are artifacts from an early 1970s effort
at making counterfeit 1942/41 dimes.
They were returned by the government (after they were deemed not
counterfeits, themselves), but thousands were sold in the 1980s
as silver dime blanks; they are a plague on the hobby to this
The next group of slides showed a range of denominations struck
on a range of clip shapes (crescent, straight edge, bow tie,
ragged clip, corner clip, and assay clip).
They were followed by multiple errors involving US clad coinage,
which should consist of two copper-nickel layers sandwiching a
A single thin copper-nickel layer had parts of a Washington
quarter design on both sides, but most design areas did not
strike up due to the thinness of the piece.
There was a 1984-P Roosevelt dime missing about half of the
copper-nickel layer on the reverse, a 2006-P South Dakota state
quarter missing the copper-nickel layer on the obverse, and a
1999-P Kennedy half dollar struck (weakly) on only a copper
In 1990, the mint stopped punching a mint mark into each working
cent and nickel die, opting to place a mint mark on each master
die; the change was made to the other denominations in 1991.
By reducing the number of times a mint mark was added, each
occurrence could be checked more carefully; that reduced the
number of missed mistakes.
A shown 1975-D nickel had a very high D mint mark (and a small
cud), but most often the various mint mark positions are barely
Two more-noticed mint mark mistakes were when the mint mark was
doubled and when the mint mark was applied for one mint and then
was applied for a different mint; we saw a 1953-D Lincon cent
with the D double punched, and then a 1946-S Lincoln cent with
the S struck over a D.
Since all coins struck by a die with a mint mark mistake show
that mistake, each of these is technically a variety coin and
not an error coin – the same can be said about overdated
A coin struck by a misaligned die would show the design perfectly
centered on one side and the design shifted on the other side; we
saw a 1976-D bicentennial Kennedy half dollar showing this.
But most times, an off-center strike shows the designs on both
sides shifted by the same ammount, because the dies were aligned
but the planchet was not aligned with the dies.
Sometimes the off-center strike might be before or after a
regular strike was made on the planchet; we saw a triple struck
quarter, so anything is possible.
But a planchet with two small partial designs struck on both
sides might have been struck only once – if the coin press
used dual or quad pairs of dies, a misplaced planchet would be
struck once by two pairs of dies; we saw an example of a nickel
so struck, but neither partial strike showed a date.
When a pair of dies come together with no planchet in between
them, the dies “clash,” leaving each die with a weak
impression of the other die.
We saw a 1985-P nickel made from strongly clashed dies; if a
clashed die is observed, the mint might try to abrade or polish
the die to remove most signs of the clashing, and inadvertantly
remove some of the die’s details.
Usually the result is barely noticed and no one pays extra for
such coins – exceptions are the 1922 No D Lincoln cent,
and the 1937-D 3-Legged Buffalo nickel.
Most of our club members should be familiar with brockages.
We were shown many different types of Lincoln cent brockages,
including Full Obverse, Full Reverse, and a Counter Brockage
(also known as a Brockage Maker).
The longer a Brockage Maker remains stuck to a die (and the
more times it is strck against a planchet to make a brockage),
the more spread out and blurry the design on the exposed side
becomes, and the more spread out and blurry will be the
“reversed design” side of a produced brockage.
We saw many examples of a coin design struck on the planchet
for a different denomination.
And even an example of a 1998 Lincoln cent struck on a 1997
Accidents can happen – a planchet or coin can be stuck in
a bin used to transport items, only to work itself loose at a
We saw eamples of coins struck through foreign objects (wire,
cloth); a coin struck on a planchet fragment; and a
“dropped character” when the grease filling of a
character fell out of that character and ended up on a different
part of the die, maybe embedded in a struck coin, or maybe
remaining stuck on the die and appearing on many struck coins.
This long and informative program showed more types of errors,
but this report is long enough.
You should have attended this meeting!
Show and Tell
Items shown at our August 9, 2023 meeting,
reported by Deven Kane.
Melissa Gumm showed four different portraits of Queen
Elizabeth II, each from a different country.
A $1 note of the Commonwealth of Australia, of the style used
The front has dark brown on orange with multicolor under print,
a coat of arms at center (featuring stylized kangaroo and Emi),
and Queen Elizabeth II at right.
The back features stylized Aboriginal figures and animals.
The note’s watermark is James Cook.
This note can be dated to 1968 by the note’s signatures:
H.C. Coombs, Governor of Reserve Bank of Australia; and R.J.
Randall, Secretary of Treasury.
Melissa wondered if this was this a souvenir her dad brought
home from his time there?
A 50¢ note of The Bahamas Government, from 1965.
The front has purple on multicolor under print, with Queen
Elizabeth II at the left.
Melissa pointed out how the denomination is represented in each
corner as a fraction: $½.
The back features a Straw Market scene, with coat of arms at
right, all in amazing color.
The watermark is a shellfish.
A £1 note of the Bank of England, of the type used
The front is printed in deep green on multicolor under print,
featuring a portrait of Queen Elizabeth II at the right.
The watermark is Laureate heads in continuous vertical row at
The back has Britannia seated with a shield in circle at center
The Standard Catalog of World Paper Money describes a
watermark to left on back as well, but that does not seem
Based on JQ Hollom’s signature as the Chief Cashier, the
note is dated to 1962-1966.
A $20 note of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand, of the style used
The front is green to orange, and features Queen Elizabeth II
facing front at center with parliament building under print at
left; signature of Governor Graeme Wheeler.
The back features the New Zealand falcon with its Maori name at
Evolving security features of this polymer note, first issued in
1999, are seen in either right or left corners: an oval with a
serated edge and 20 inside, and a feather.
The watermark is Queen Elizabeth II at right when looking at the
front of the note.
This note can be dated to 2013, knowing that the first 2 digits
of the serial number are the last two digits of the four-digit
Richard Hathaway showed a Royal French hammered coin, a
1555 Lyon Douzain from King Henri II, 1547-1559.
He is known for his involvement in wars over French claims in
Italy and the severe persecution of French Protestants.
He died in 1559 at the age of 40 from a jousting injury where
he was struck in the eye by a shard of a broken lance.
One side features a design with alternating ‘H’s
and crowns and has the inscription SIT NOMEN DNI BENEDICTVM 1555.
The other side features the French coat of arms and the
inscription HENRICVS 2 DEI G FRANCORV REX.
This side also features the D mintmark for Lyon.
In addition to the mintmark, this coin can be identified as
being from Lyon by a few other methods.
There is a clover (another mark of the Lyon mint), an
‘A’ (the mark for the head of the mint), and a
crescent (the mark for the engraver of the mint), all at the 11
o’clock position on both sides of the coin.
Additionally, each side has a dot underneath the 12th letter of
the inscription on each side, counting clockwise.
This is an old method of marking the mints before the French
started using lettered mintmarks in 1540, and evidently some
mints continued using the old method and started using lettered
The coin is a low percentage silver coin with a diameter of about
25mm, but weighs only 2.6 grams.
Contrast this to a US quarter which is about 24.3 mm and weighs
almost 5.7 grams.
This coin is very light and thin.
These coins were made from 1548-1561 at over two dozen mints
across France, and they are some of the earliest dated French
They were made in very large quantities, particularly in
1549-1552, with Numista reporting mintages of well over 1
million pieces for many mints.
The 1548 issues and the issues of the late 1550s and early 1560s
are much more challenging to find.
Additionally, there are many year-mint combinations that have
never been found.
Detailed information on the issues of this series is found in
Monnaies Royales Francaises de Louis XI a Henri IV,
1461-1610, published by Editions Victor Gadoury.
John Riley took a vacation to Japan in late July –
his mother-in-law lives there and his son works in Yokohama.
John’s son showed him around one weekend, including taking
in a Tokyo coin shop where he obtained three pattern coins in
clay (sometimes mistaken as porcelain).
Produced as emergency money in the final days of the second
world war, only the reddish clay one sen pieces showing Mount
Fuji unofficially circulated in the area of the Osaka mint.
The five sen coin is a particular prize – John has never
run across one in the US.
The coins were produced in a number of colors, one a dark blue
and some are in white clay.
Laurence Edwards reported on his visit to the Hunterian Museum
in Glasgow, Scotland.
The Hunterian owns one of the most extensive numismatic
collections in the world.
It was initially formed by Dr. William Hunter (1718-1783), who
collected in several areas and donated his collections to
establish this museum at the University of Glasgow.
The current Curator of Numismatics at The Hunterian is Jesper
Ericsson, who welcomed Laurence to Kelvin Hall on a sunny
Wednesday morning (May 17, 2023).
He had expressed interest in Scottish and British trade tokens,
as well as US colonials, and trays were waiting for him upon
A write-up of the trip appeared in the E-Sylum, including
pictures and bibliographical references, at
Deven Kane started by showing a 2016 news story of coins
from the Roman Empire being found in the ruins of a Japanese
Although interesting, this is not shocking – coins have
been valued for their metal content and many times were used far
After the fall of Rome in the fifth century, the Vandals started
minting bronze coins with the denominations of 1, 4, 12, 21, 42,
and 83 Nummi, and apparently also brought Sesterti and Dupondi
of the first and second centruries back into circulation, after
marking their value in Nummi.
Such marks are thus known on Sesterti as 83 Nummi (LXXXIII) and
on Dupondi as 42 Nummi (XLII).
The Vandals countermarked Constantinian bronzes for the smaller
denominations, and coins of earlier emperors such as Galba and
Vespasian for the bigger ones.
Interestingly both As and Dupondii seem to bear the same
Deven showed us:
Vespasian was the last of the four Emperors in the year 69, and
ruled until his death in year 79.
He was one of the able emperors, and he was a builder.
To give us an idea of Vespasian’s sense of humor, Deven
mentioned that, as his death approached, he allegedly said,
“Alas, I think I am turning into a god” (a good
Emperor was usually deified soon after death).
In contrast to the large structures built during his rule, Deven
showed a picture of a vespasienne (a public street urinal)
located on Boulevard Arago in Paris.
A Dupondius of Vespasian countermarked by the Vandals in Africa
to be worth 42 nummi.
The obverse has Vespasian's radiated head surrounded by the
legend: IMP CAES VESP AVG P M T P COS V CENS.
The reverse has a standing Felicitas holding a caduceus in one
hand and a cornucopia in the other.
An As of Vespasian countermarked by the Vandals in Africa to be
worth 42 nummi.
The obverse of the coin, from the Lyon mint in 77-78, has a
laureate head of Vespasian surrounded by the legend: IMP CAES
VESPASIAN AVG COS VIII P P.
The reverse has a standing Fides holding a hook in one hand and
a cornucopia in the other.
Dale Lukanich showed a large-size $10 note of the Joliet
National Bank, which had Charter #4520.
The bank was organized on October 29, 1890; chartered on
February 16, 1891; and went into receivership on February 10,
Of the large size notes, it had issued $1,942,800 with $16,200
outstanding at its close; 23 large size notes are known today.
The bank was located at 222 N. Chicago Street; Dale showed a
picture postcard with the six atory building, followed by an ad
from the 1912 Joliet City Directory promoting its Christmas
Saving Club which offered 3% interest.
A cropped image of a proof sheet from the BEP was followed by a
$10 note of the Series of 1902 (Plain Back) from sheet #16540
bearing serial number A432897E.
The faint signatures of Chas. G. Pearce as the Cashier and W.
Redmond as the President correspond to the 1923-1931 period.
After entering receivership, bank deposits were frozen for more
than two years, until November 2, 1934, when depositors could
get a check for up to 40% of their deposit – 15,000
checks, totaling $2,087,900, were issued; the largest check was
Gerard Anaszewicz showed two similar coins.
A Russian 5 Kopeck coin dated 1787, struck under Catherine the
Great with an EM mint-mark for the Ekaterinburg mint.
It is a nice coin, but fairly common.
A Swedish Counterfeit 5 Kopeck coin, also dated 1787, was struck
in 1788 under King Gustav III for use by Swedish troops in the
Russian frontier during a war with Russia.
These coins were struck at the Avesta mint in Sweden but carry
the EM mint-mark.
The extremely rare 1764 and 1778 dated Counterfeits were also
made in 1788.
The biggest difference is the date has a straight vertical stand
in the 7, while the Russian coin has a more curved stand.
The Swedish coin has a different obverse crown – royal,
not imperial – and the Swedish coins show sharper
The Avesta 5 Kopeck coins are very rare and seldom appear in
These coins are highly collectible by both Swedish and Russian
You can email to Deven a description of what you will
show at a meeting, to give him a start on this write-up.
Send it to firstname.lastname@example.org
After a meeting, all members who viewed the meeting should
email him their scoring sheet – a listing of each
exhibit number followed by a score (from a low of 1 to a high of
10) is all that is needed.
Minutes of the Chicago Coin Club Board
August 16, 2023
The meeting was called to order by club President John Riley at
Board members present for the meeting were John Riley,
Melissa Gumm, Deven Kane, Scott McGowan, Paul Hybert, Carl Wolf,
Bill Burd, Mark Wieclaw, Steve Zitowsky, Rich Lipman, and
Absent were Jeff Rosinia and Elliott Krieter.
Director and officer insurance update: Three quotes have been
presented to the board.
Great American at $811.00/year, Berkley at $951.00 +
15% fee /year, and Selective for $425/year; all with the
Comments that the Volunteer Act of 1997 does give some
protection but would require attorney costs to use the act in
the event of a need.
Board discussion indicated there is very little downside to
getting the protection.
The newest quote of $425 is also below the $500 expenditure
limit that would require a full club vote.
The board voted unanimously to purchase the $425 D&O
Discussion on the Future Projects committee and should it have
a say with investing part of club funds in an investment
This addressed the point raised at the August general club
meeting about investing funds by a club member.
The board voted to direct the treasurer to invest in a CD or
Money Market interest bearing account a percentage of the
club’s funds with final approval by the club president.
The board also discussed the possibility of using some club
funds to sponsor premiums for numismatic exhibitors at future
This is pending further development of ILNA shows and exhibit
To date, no other ideas for using club funds have been submitted
to the committee or board.
To help generate ideas, the club secretary will prepare a survey
to send to club members.
Holiday banquet committee reported the three options being
Past December banquets have had 42-54 in attendance.
Coopers Hawk, Burr Ridge $67 per person, $2500 minimum with room
limit of 50.
Capri, Palos Heights $40 per person. No minimum, room limit of
Cliff Dwellers Club, Chicago Downtown $20-30 per person, $1400
room charge with room limit of 100.
Chatter Advertising – Need to resend proposal
letter to Mike at CNG a review of emails show past contact to
an SBCGLOBAL email which may be defunct.
Club Committee meetings schedule discussion indicated committee
chairs should coordinate meeting schedules with Paul and Scott
to ensure they are publicized for members.
Board asked for post-event discussion about the 2023 ANA
World’s Fair of Money (WFoM) and any take-aways to help
for planning 2024.
The 2023 show went well and quite a few CCC members were in
attendance in both a volunteer and attendee capacity.
There was discussion at the 2023 show to review of the Silver
Round Raffle in the Collector Exhibit area.
Future shows reported were as:
2024 National Money Show – Colorado Springs, Colorado.
2024 ANA WFoM – Rosement, Illinois.
2025 ANA WFoM – Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
2026 ANA WFoM – Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
The board discussed the process to fill board position vacancies
and documentation of club processes and systems.
The club by-laws detail board position selection but do not
state vacancy provisions.
In the event an appointed position becomes vacant, a new
appointment can/will be made to fill the position.
In the event an elected position becomes vacant the club
nominating committee shall review and select candidate(s) to put
forward for a club vote to complete the vacant position term.
As the club operated under Robert’s Rules, if a vacancy
occurs in the position of President or First Vice President, the
next officer in line shall move up.
This discussion also included documentation of various procedures
including set up of digital equipment for online meetings, use of
show and tell overhead projector, inventory of forms for meetings
at the CBA, process for access to Google drives for Secretary and
Treasurer for historical club documents, and any other process
that the club routinely uses.
President vacancy – First Vice president assumes the
First Vice President vacancy – Second Vice President
assumes First VP.
Second Vice President vacancy – Nominating Committee shall
Hall of Fame committee clarification – committee consists
of Deven Kane, Carl Wolf, and Bob Feiler.
Next CCC Board Meeting will be on November 15, 2023, at 6:00PM
President John Riley adjourned the meeting at 7:13PM CDT.
Scott A. McGowan, Secretary
Our 1256th Meeting
||September 13, 2023|
||6:45PM CDT (UTC-05:00)|
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meet, please bring your face covering to the meeting
– all attendees must follow the city’s and
This will be another attempt at a regular in-person
meeting in the post-Covid-19 era.
We will try for a better experience than in the past, but
please be prepared for possible diifficulties.
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||Robert D. Leonard —
When Princes Overpromise: “Latin” Imitations of Byzantine Gold Coins, Minted by Geoffrey II Villehardouin of Achaea (Plus Sutton Hoo and King Offa)
This is an expanded version of a paper Bob presented at the 16th
International Numismatic Congress in Warsaw last September.
It discusses a series of mysterious “latin” imitations
of the gold coins of Byzantine (Nicaean) Emperor John III
Vatatzes, 1222-1254, showing how they can be detected and
attributing them – on the basis of a hoard study and a
contemporary chronicle – to Geoffrey II Villehardouin,
Prince of Achaea.
Modern fakes of these coins are pointed out.
Two similar instances of princes overpromising and having to
resort to making imitations, the Sutton Hoo ship burial and the
papal gift of King Offa, are appended.
Unless stated otherwise,
our regular monthly CCC Meeting is
in downtown Chicago and also online
on the second Wednesday of the month;
the starting time is 6:45PM CT.
||ILNA 2023 Annual Coin & Currency Show
at the Tinley Park Convention Center, 18451 Convention Center
Drive, Tinley Park, Illinois 60477.
Details, including hours and events, are available at
||CCC Meeting - Featured Speaker - Robert D. Leonard on When Princes Overpromise: “Latin” Imitations of Byzantine Gold Coins, Minted by Geoffrey II Villehardouin of Achaea (Plus Sutton Hoo and King Offa)|
||First meeting of the 2024 WFoM Local Host Committee – online only.
Email Host Chair Dale Lukanich at
for details on joining this committee or meeting.|
||CCC Meeting - Featured Speaker - Marc Ricard on The Red Book Special Editions and Their Histories|
||CCC Meeting - Club Auction - no featured speaker|
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