Volume 61 No. 10 October 2015

Call for Club Auction Lots
November 11, 2015

The club auction is scheduled for 7PM, near the start of the regular November club meeting. In the past few years, club related material (and Chicago area numismatic items) have had the best results. Some printed material also has shown good results. Please consider using the club auction to dispose of the numismatic items you no longer need.

You can place a reserve on each lot, and there is no commission charged to either the buyer or seller. Auction lot viewing will be held before the meeting starts, and again briefly before the auction starts.

The November Chatter will contain a list of all auction lots that are known to us by Tuesday, October 27. You can either e-mail your list to Paul Hybert by Tuesday, October 27 if you plan to bring your lots with you to the November meeting; or you can ship your items to Bill Burd by Tuesday, October 27.

Bill Burd
CCC-A Dept.
Chicago Coin Company
6455 W. Archer Ave.
Chicago, IL 60638
Paul Hybert
312-791-9001, evenings

If you have questions, Bill can be reached at 773-586-7666.

Minutes of the 1161st Meeting

The 1161st meeting of the Chicago Coin Club was held September 9, 2015 in the Chicago Bar Association Building, 321 S. Plymouth Court, Downtown Chicago. President Elliott Krieter called the meeting to order at 6:45 PM with an attendance of 21 members and 1 guest, Christopher Pineda.

A motion was passed to accept the August Minutes as published in the Chatter. Treasurer Steve Zitowsky gave a detailed report of August revenue $13,355.72, expenses $7,633.73, net income 5,721.99, total assets $28,050.88 held in Life Membership $2,490.00 and member equity $25,560.88. A motion was passed to accept the report.

Membership applications of Eric Delgadillo and Rick Ewing received second reading. A motion was made and seconded to accept them into the club. President Krieter announced that Eugene Freeman had accepted a job in Texas. He intends to stay a member, but submitted his resignation from the Club’s Board. Steve Zitowsky shared a supply of bookmarks created by the Austrian Mint with an image of the Gold Vienna Philharmonic coin.

Jeffrey Rosinia, Host Chair of the ANA Convention, reported the total attendance of 8635 at the recent ANA Convention and read a letter of gratitude from Rhonda Scurek, ANA Director of Conventions. Jeff called upon Committee Chairs to deliver reports.

  1. Volunteer Chairman Carl Wolf reported on the punctuality and great work put in by the volunteers. He was also the recipient of the ANA Medal of Merit, and showed the certificate and medal.
  2. Jeff announced the success of the joint dinner with the New York Numismatic Club. There were 82 attending and the remaining 18 medals sold out quickly.
  3. Exhibit Chair Melissa Gumm announced a total of 72 exhibitors, and the final number of exhibit cases was the second highest at recent ANA Conventions. Club members received 17 awards.
  4. Money Talks Chairman Mark Wieclaw, assisted by Ray Dagenais and Robert Feiler, reported a good attendance at most talks and spoke of several unique presentations.
  5. As Scout Chairman Eugene Freeman was not present, Jeff reported 46 Boy and Girl Scouts attended the clinics. Steve Zitowsky reported several dozen Scout Activity Patches were also earned.
  6. Page Chairman Elliott Krieter reported that he and Assistant Chair Dale Carlson split up the supervision, and since many pages were experienced the problems were very small.
  7. General comments were made by Deven Kane, Robert Leonard, Richard Lipman, and Ray Dagenais.

Second V.P. Marc Stackler introduced the 11 exhibitors. Bill Bierly: Lincoln bronze medal and Pollock mint director medal. Robert Feiler: pop-out coins with book, cigar box labels, coins made into items, and book on Bust Dimes by member Winston Zack. David Gumm: a Washington quarter found in change and of questionable manufacture. Elliott Krieter: a circulation find, a $10 star note, and two “stacker” rounds. Mark Wieclaw: seven British sovereigns, $50 US bill with graffiti, and autographed programs from the convention. Robert Leonard: a coin from Naples, and US Civil War-era tokens and related items. Richard Hamilton: Pierce Arrow Motor Company stock certificate and photos. Deven Kane: four medieval and later silver coins. Rich Lipman: “First Spouse” gold coins, and notes issued during the Russian Revolution. Carl Wolf: cancelled checks from Indian and Arizona Territories. Jeff Rosinia: a silver-plated souvenirs from the Century of Progress.

The meeting was adjourned at 9:03 PM.

Respectfully Submitted,
Carl Wolf, Secretary

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Show and Tell

Items shown at our September 10, 2015 meeting,
reported by Marc Stackler

  1. Bill Bierly showed 2 items:
    1. A bronze Lincoln plaquette struck by J.H. Ripstra, and its envelop.
    2. The Pollock mint director medal. Pollock was an active political personality in the mid-19th century; he was director of the mint during 1861-1866 and 1869-73, and then was superintendant of the mint for three years.
  2. Bob Feiler displayed several items for us:
    1. Two pop out (also known as repousse) coins with patent straps, mounted on stick pins.
      1. 1905 Barber dime. Pat Nov 22, 04
      2. 1909 Lincoln Cent Pat Nov 22, 04
    2. A pop out coins book, A Numismatic Mystery, by Robert Stump. Bob explained that “pop outs” are not really pushed-out designs. They are made first by popping out or removing the center of the coin. Then, a design in relief (presumably in the same metal, but made separately) is silver soldered into the now-empty center of the coin, and the soldered edges are blended in, so it looks like the design was pushed up from the actual coin.
    3. Copy of the new book by member Winston Zack, Bust Dime Variety Identification Guide.
    4. 1853 half-dime encased in zinc. What the heck is it?… Speculation is that it is a giveaway or prop from a mentalist who had an act during the mid-19th century.
    5. Late 1800s German Shell card, from a large lake-side hotel.
    6. 1949 Spanish 5 Pesetas coin knife.
    7. Three unusual cigar box labels.
      1. Bank Note 5¢ full label ornate similar to bank note engraving, with treasury type seal.
      2. Chicago Hand Made label with Chicago sky line (1930s?) in the back ground.
      3. Whale-Back cigars label with ship. Whale back schooners used to travel the great lakes.
  3. David Gumm brought a Washington quarter (Massachusetts state quarter, 2000), found in change, but of questionable manufacture. It appears to be cast, and has an odd rim treatment.s
  4. Elliott Krieter showed 3 things:
    1. 1962-D quarter, received in change at Brookfield Zoo.
    2. 1977 $10 Federal Reserve star note. Elliott noted that star notes from the 1970s-80s are difficult to find. This one (from Chicago/Reserve District G) is more common than most in this otherwise scarce timeframe.
    3. Two 5-oz silver “stacker” rounds. “Stackers” are pieces with the same design on both sides; the obverse is in relief and the reverse is incuse, so they neatly fit one atop another in a stack. These rounds are sold as silver bullion.
  5. Mark Wieclaw showed 8 items plus autographs from the ANA:
    1. In honor of Queen Elizabeth II surpassing her great-great-grandmother, Victoria, as the longest ruling Monarch in British history, Mark showed seven sovereigns.
      1. Four of Victoria with three different portraits (youthful to mature) and two different reverse types.
      2. Three of Elizabeth II with three different busts, again from youthful to mature.
    2. A fifty dollar bill, apparently a gift, with graffiti stating the note is to be used only in Las Vegas.
    3. Mark also had various items from ANA events which were signed by the author or speaker, including:
      1. Winston Zack’s book on bust dimes, signed by the the three authors, the writer of the forward, and the writer of the appreciation.
      2. Donn Pearlman signed a convention certificate.
      3. A Fogo de Chao yes/no coaster signed by Mike Gasvoda who, at the CCC/NYNC banquet, talked about the 1793 cent that went up with Gemini VII.
  6. Bob Leonard showed 6 items.
    1. From Naples, a silver Tari 1687 showing a map of the Western Mediterranean. He then showed a close up of the map, and compared it to a Google Earth map of the Western Mediterranean.
    2. A Coin World September 2015 article, “Shady Stories for U.S. Coins,” mentioning the 1861 Confederate cent pattern, the 1859 Marshall House token, and the 1860 Robert Lovett Jr. store card, all using the Confederate cent Liberty head hub. He then showed these three pieces (Confederate cent represented by the Second Restrike), plus the 1862-64 Magnolia Hotel, Philadelphia, Civil War token, which also uses the Confederate cent hub. The article also illustrates a Civil War patriotic cover showing the death of Col. Ellsworth at the Marshall House, the first Union officer killed in the Civil War; Bob then showed a similar patriotic cover.
  7. Richard Hamilton talked about the Pierce Arrow Motor Company. He brought:
    1. A 1935 Pierce Arrow stock certificate for 100 shares, and an advertising piece with its typical subdued images.
    2. A book on auto-company stock certificates.
    3. Four photos of Pierce Arrow cars.
  8. Deven Kane brought in 4 coins.
    1. A silver penny, circa 1009-1017, of King Aethelred of England (9781013 and 10141016). The reverse has a small cross and the York mintmark of Aelfstan. Aethelred in often referred to as the Unready, which is a mistranslation of Old English unræd (meaning bad-counsel) — a twist on his name which means noble-counsel. The name was not bestowed upon him until the 1180s, so we do not know whether it accurately reflects the view of his contemporaries. His reign marked the end of decades of peace and the resumption of Danish raids on England, which he failed in responding to, by war or bribery. In 1013 Sweyn of Denmark invaded, forcing Aethelred to exile in Normandy; Aethelred returned after Sweyn’s death, but soon had to face Swweyn’s son Cnut.
    2. A silver penny of Cnut the Great, King of England (1016-1035), King of Denmark (1018-1035), and King of Norway and part of Sweden (1028-1035), minted by Aelperdon in Linde (London). Cnut and Edmund, son of Aethelred, had divided England between them in 1016, but Edmund died a month later, leaving Cnut as King of all England. Cnut is famous for the anecdote of how he showed that he could not stop the incoming tide. In England, Cnut was eventually succeeded by Eadweard the Confessor, a son of Aethelred.
    3. A silver ½ drachm of Suleiman, an Abbassid governor, from Tabaristan circa 776-780 AD. Although Tabaristan, on the southern coast of the Caspian, was a province of the Abbasid Caliphate after the Islamic conquest of Persia, some Zoroastrian influence remained from its time as a Sassanid vassal. On the obverse, the head of Khusru II, a long-dead Sassanid emperor, has been replaced with a lozenge. On the reverse, although the Zoroastrian fire altar remains, the two flanking attendants commonly seen on Sassanid coins have been reworked into pillars.
    4. A silver Luigini of Violante Doria Lomellini from Loano (Italy), 1654-1671. This rare variety and early issue (and holed example, unfortunately) continues Deven’s Luigino collection from his presentation a few months back. The shield on the reverse has three eagles instead of the French Fleur de Lys. The portrait still follows the pattern on the Princess of Dombes. Violante was the mother of and regent for Giovanni Andrea Doria III (1654-1737).
  9. Rich Lipman showed these items:
    1. Two “First Spouse” gold coins: Mamie Eisenhower and Jacqueline Kennedy. Except for the Kennedy coin, the first spouse series seems not popular.
    2. Four post-czar Russian Revolution notes:
      1. 500 and 1000 rubles bank notes from northwestern territories (ca. Estonia), issued by a White Russian army trying to recapture Petrograd from the Bolsheviks.
      2. A 1920 1 ruble Far East Provisional Government “credit note” from eastern Siberia, which at the time was occupied by a White Russian army with support from Japan and the US.
      3. A 1923 5,000,000 rubles note from Azerbaijan / Transcaucasia.
      4. 1 ruble “credit note” from Tannu Tuva, overprinted on an 1898 note and possibly spurious.
  10. Carl Wolf discussed obsolete checks and receceipts issued by Indian Traders (who were authorized by the US government).
    1. Three receipts (which look like checks) from T. Connell, Indian Trader, of the Cheyenne & Arapahoe Agency, Darlington, Indian Territory (Eastern Oklahoma):
      1. $10 from George Little Bear, 11 June 1885.
      2. $5 from Black Short Nose, 21 August 1883.
      3. $8 from Flash of Lightning, 24 August 1885.
    2. Obsolete check (1889) from J.H. Sherburne, Indian Trader, of the Ponca & Otoe Agencies, identifying him as a Raiser of and Dealer in Horses and Indian Ponies.
    3. Obsolete check (1903) from J.L. Hubbell, Ganado AZ (Arizona was a territory at the time), an Indian Trader & Dealer in Navajo blankets. Hubbell had a chain of trading posts. Bob Leonard pointed out that the Ganado post is a National Historic Site.
  11. Jeff Rosinia displayed a silver plated crumb tray & scraper from the Century of Progress exposition.

Our 1162nd Meeting

Date:October 14, 2015
Time:6:45 PM
Location:Downtown Chicago
At the Chicago Bar Association, 321 S. Plymouth Court, 3rd floor meeting room. Please remember the security measures at our meeting building: everyone must show their photo-ID and register at the guard’s desk. Nearby parking: South Loop Self Park, 318 South Federal Street; that is two short blocks west of our meeting site. Note: Their typical rate of $33 is reduced to $9 if you eat at the Plymouth Restaurant, 327 S. Plymouth Court (next to our meeting site at the CBA) — show the restaurant your parking ticket, and ask for a parking voucher. The restaurant offers standard sandwiches, burgers, and salads for members who want to meet for dinner. Members start arriving at 5pm.
Featured Program:Leo CourshonDifferent Grading Standards of Early American Copper Coinage
Early American Copper coins were produced using manually cut dies and screw-press machinery. This resulted in more strike qualities and grading ambiguities than any other U.S. coinage series. Over time, different grading systems developed and evolved. Today, collectors of Early American Copper coins must be proficient in three different grading systems: Commercial/Dealer Grading, Slab Grading, and EAC Collector Grading. Leo will tell how the systems evolved, then explain their differences and inconsistencies. He is a 30-year member of Early American Coppers club, and specializes in their grading system. Those who attend this program will gain insight into a numismatic specialty where nearly every coin is unique and each possesses its own beauty.

Important Dates

Unless stated otherwise, our regular monthly CCC Meeting is in downtown Chicago on the second Wednesday of the month; the starting time is 6:45PM.

October 14 CCC Meeting - Featured Speaker - Leo Courshon on Different Grading Standards of Early American Copper Coinage
November 11 CCC Meeting - Club Auction - no featured speaker
November 20-21 PCDA National Currency and Coin Convention at the Crown Plaza Chicago O’Hare, 5440 North River Road, Rosemont, IL. Admission is $5 for Friday through Saturday. Details at
November 21 CCC Meeting - 1pm at the PCDA National Currency and Coin Convention, which is held at the Crown Plaza Chicago O’Hare, 5440 North River Road, Rosemont, IL. No admission charge for our meeting.
Featured Speaker - to be announced
November 22 Central States Numismatic Society Educational Symposium — after the PCDA National Currency and Coin Convention, at the Crown Plaza Chicago O’Hare.
The continental breakfast and light lunch are included in the registration charge ($20 for CSNS members, $30 for all others). Limited seating is available. Early registration is encouraged. Registration fees should be sent to:
  Ray Lockwood — CSNS Education Director
  2075 East Bocock Road
  Marion, IN 46952
8:00AM   Continental Breakfast
Dr. Steve Feller 9:00AM The Money of Iowa: from Pre-Civil War to World War II Prisoner of War Scrip
Dr. Lawrence Lee 10:30AM The Gold Banknotes of Clark Gruber & Co. Denver City, Colorado Territory 1861-1863
12noon   Light Lunch
Mark Hotz 1:00PM John Dillinger: America’s Most Wanted and the National Banks He Robbed
Peter Huntoon 2:30PM Col. Green: America’s Most Extravagent Collector
December 9 CCC Meeting - Annual Banquet - Featured Speaker - to be announced

Chatter Matter

All correspondence pertaining to Club matters should be addressed to the Secretary and mailed to:
P.O. Box 2301

Club Officers

Elected positions (two-year terms):
Elliott Krieter- President
Richard Lipman- First Vice President
Marc Stackler- Second Vice President
William Burd- Archivist
Directors:Steve Ambos
Dale Lukanich
Mark Wieclaw
Appointed positions:
Jeffrey Rosinia- Immediate Past President
Carl Wolf- Secretary
Steve Zitowsky- Treasurer
Paul Hybert- Chatter Editor, webmaster
Robert Feiler- ANA Club Representative

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