Chatter


Volume 70 No. 11 November, 2024


Minutes of the 1269th Meeting

The 1269th meeting of the Chicago Coin Club was called to order by President John Riley at 6:45PM CDT, Wednesday, October 9, 2024. This was an in-person and online meeting, held at the Chicago Bar Association. Attendance at the meeting in person was 20 members and two guests, with one applying for membership; and online attendance of 21 members and two guests, with one applying for membership; for a total of 45.

Club Meeting Minutes and Treasurer’s Report

The September meeting minutes were approved as published in the Chatter, both in print and on the CCC website. Treasurer Elliott Krieter was not in attendance to present the September period treasurer’s report.

New Members

Secretary Scott McGowan completed the second membership application reading for George Marks, and the club voted to approve. The first membership application readings were completed for Julie A. Block of N. Uxbridge, Massachusetts, a collector of Silver Eagles, ancient Roman, Greek and Judean, plus 1800s US Coinage; and Jack Kohn of Chicago, Illinois, a collector of US Coinage. The secretary noted we are still holding off on the first readings of four membership applications received during the August ANA convention, pending the applicant’s attendance at a meeting, per club by-laws.

Old Business

  1. Rich Lipman and Deven Kane reported 48 items for November club auction, with room for a few more. Email Rich or Deven in the next two weeks if you have items to be considered. A list of auction items will be published in the November Chatter, which will be delivered before the meeting. CCC members are encouraged to come to the November meeting early to view the items before the auction starts. Jeff Rosinia will serve as auctioneer.
  2. December banquet at Capri Italian Restaurant in Palos Heights, Illinois; cost is $45. Make your reservations by sending payment to the Club PO Box, or Zelle to treasurer.chicagocoinclub@gmail.com — reserve sooner rather than later. Free parking at the restaurant. A cash bar cocktail hour, followed by dinner, then a special 2024 CCC year in review presentation. Menu details to follow.
  3. Mark Wieclaw reported the Special Projects committee met on September 18 via Webex to discuss the list of ideas for spending a portion of the club treasury. Ideas were received from the club “project ideas” survey from 2023. Ideas included moving a portion of money to a CD, sponsoring exhibit(s) at a show, and Summer Seminar scholarship, among others. No decisions were made since a full committee was not present. The committee is planning a November meeting to continue the process.
  4. Dale Lukanich reported on the Legacy Project, indicating completed interviews of John Riley and Bob Feiler and an upcoming interview of Richard Hamilton. Newman Numismatic Portal is working on editing the interviews to finalize them, and will provide links soon.
  5. Mark Wieclaw presented the slate of club officers for 2025 as proposed by the nominating committee. The slate of officers presented, and to be voted on at the December meeting, is: The secretary explained this is the proposed officer slate, to be voted on at the December meeting. Any club members wishing to run for an elected office should contact the nominating committee (Mark Wieclaw, Bill Burd, and Rich Lipman) for further discussion.
  6. Mark Wieclaw reported on the Medal of Merit committee: they have submissions and are still open to nominations for the CCC Medal of Merit. Contact Mark for further discussion.
  7. President John Riley gave a huge thank-you to Lyle Daly and Dale Lukanich for their hard work and efforts over the past couple of years in pushing the Legacy Project forward. The Legacy Project, which video records oral interviews of longtime club members, is an important reminder of our club Latin motto “DOCENDO DISCIMUS” (We Learn By Teaching). These videos archive the numismatic beginnings and lives of our membership, for future generations to enjoy and learn from.

New Business

  1. President John Riley called club members’ attention to the October ANA Numismatist magazine, which featured an article on the CCC and our efforts at the ANA show in August.
  2. Brett Irick, CCC member and Vice President of CSNS, offered two special CSNS version Redbooks for sale to anyone interested at the meeting and noted that if they were not purchased they would be donated to the CCC November Auction. Only 500 copies of the special CSNS Redbook were issued.

Featured Program

James McMenamin on The Ubiquitous “H” — A Numismatic overview of possibly the World’s finest private mint. After the presentation, First VP Melissa Gumm presented James with a CCC Speaker’s medal and an ANA education certificate. Melissa also reminded club members we still need Featured Speakers for 2025. Contact Melissa to signup.

Show and Tell

Second Vice President Deven Kane announced there were 11 Show and Tell presenters.

Next meeting will be Wednesday, November 13, 2024 at 6:45pm CST at the Chicago Bar Association and online. Note this will be the club auction — no featured program and no Show and Tell. Bidders for the auction items must be present, or arrange a proxy bidder for them. All items must be paid for and removed the night of the auction.

President John Riley adjourned the meeting at 8:37pm CDT.

Respectfully Submitted,
Scott A. McGowan, Secretary


Speaker’s Wor[l]d
The Ubiquitous “H“

by James McMenamin,
presented to our October 9, 2024 meeting

Many months ago I asked Melissa Gumm if I could present a paper this year. She said yes, and I then immediately forgot the matter, as I so increasingly find myself doing with advancing age. At our May meeting, however, she reminded me of my commitment and I panicked, not having any idea as to what the subject of my presentation should be. But much to my relief, our speaker that evening, Laurence Edwards, provided the answer.

I had made a point of attending his talk on the Soho Mint: first because one of my most prized possessions is a two-ounce copper tuppence, or two-penny “cartwheel” of 1797, bearing the Soho mintmark as seen in close-up, below Britannia’s shield on the coin’s reverse; and second because just a few weeks before, a fellow member of The Chicago Literary Club, which at 150 years of age is an even older organization than the Chicago Coin Club, had given me three beautiful ha’penny Conder tokens after learning of my interest in coins. She had purchased them over 40 years ago from Harlan Berk to feature at a Jane Austen Society event. The idea was to showcase coinage that would have been in use during the author’s time.

The pieces she gave me, from Macclesfield, Liverpool, and Hull, are well executed specimens dating to 1791 and 1792, the heyday of the Conder token period. At that time, the Royal Mint was so overwhelmed coining gold and silver currency for the rapidly expanding British Empire, that it ignored the exploding demand for high-quality small-denomination copper coins driven by the needs of the Industrial Revolution, by population growth, and by the preponderance of shabby counterfeit circulating coins. By some estimates, upwards of 80% of low-denomination coins circulating in Britain at the time were underweight counterfeits, a situation the Conder tokens would largely remedy. They seem the exception that proves the rule in relation to Gresham’s Law that ‘bad money chases out the good!’ In this case, the opposite seems true. During my early years of collecting, however, I never came across Conder tokens, perhaps because they are nowhere mentioned in my reference book of the time, the 3rd edition of British Commonwealth Coins, published in 1971.

Laurence stated in his paper that Boulton’s Soho Mint produced a number of so-called Conder tokens, though I have so far failed to determine whether mine were produced there. One of their features I especially like is the incuse lettering found on the edge of all three. The words read variously: “Payable at Macclesfield,” “…at the warehouse of Thomas Clarke,” or “…at the warehouses of Ionathan Garton & Co.”

Laurence ended his May paper by observing that the third generation of the Boulton family wound up the Soho coining business in 1850, and that “the equipment was purchased by Ralph Heaton & Son, which eventually became the Birmingham Mint. It has its own history.” There was my subject!

I would continue Laurence’s story and present an overview of the Heaton family’s Birmingham Mint. Fortunately, I had at my disposal a book purchased some 40 years earlier, A Numismatic History of the Birmingham Mint, written by James O. Sweeny and published by the coin-making firm itself in 1981. It came into my collection because of my desire to know the background and history of the “H” mintmark found on so many of my coins after I started collecting in 1963. A main focus then were the British Colonial and Commonwealth coins found in the previously mentioned 568-page compendium, the 3rd edition of British Commonwealth Coins, 1649-1971. That earlier book was very well researched and illustrated, but held no substantive information about the Heaton Birmingham Mint or its ubiquitous mintmarks.

According to James Sweeny, there are eleven Heaton mintmarks, and three so-called quasi-mintmarks. Two of the former are worth noting. The first is the ‘m2’ mintmark, a simple upper-case letter “H”. It is the most common, as found for example on many of the coins of Guernsey. The second noteworthy mintmark is ‘m10’, used solely for a short period of time in the 1850s and then exclusively on the coins produced by the Imperial Mint in Marseille, France. As Sweeny writes in his book:

“For five years … the firm of Heaton began executing a coinage contract for the French Government producing bronze 1, 2, 5, and 10 Centimes using Heaton personnel, Heaton equipment, and Heaton methods. The mintmark on this coinage was a monogram made up of the first two letters (MA) of the word Marseille, entwined. At the conclusion of this contract, the Heaton personnel packed up and went back to Birmingham. The equipment was sold to a private firm. The mintmark was retired – it has not reappeared on French coins to the present time [i.e. 1981]. Because these coins were in every case Heaton products, the MA [mintmark] is included here as a legitimate Heaton mintmark.”

Heaton’s Marseille adventure is significant for another reason, because the French Mint was re-introducing bronze coinage at a time when a major change in the metal used for making low-denomination coinage was about to begin worldwide: a switch from copper to bronze. It occurred because of bronze’s greater resistance to corrosion, wear, and tear. The Marseille contract gave the Heaton firm valuable experience, instant credibility, a proven track record, and an important head start in winning foreign orders for bronze coinage, coining blanks, and bronze minting methods.

Before we move on to the main topic of this presentation, it should be noted that the title of this paper is itself borrowed from Appendix V to Sweeny’s book entitled, The Ubiquitous “H.” Sweeney writes: “[b]y no means did Heaton enjoy a monopoly on the use of the letter H on coins.” Several other mints had used the letter. Sweeney lists them as including those of the 18th century Holy Roman Empire, plus the mints of Geneva (Switzerland), Hermosillo (Mexico), La Rochelle (France), Saxony, The Netherlands, Germany, and Finland.

The firm that was to become known world-wide as The Birmingham Mint was founded in the city after which it was named circa 1817 by Ralph Heaton II as a brass founding, stamping, and piercing business. Located in the West Midlands of England, Birmingham was a rapidly growing city. Its success was due to small scale improvements and innovations to existing products or processes, as well as to major developments that lie at the heart of the emergence of industrial society. Examples of these include those used by Matthew Boulton’s Soho Mint to industrialize the production of high-quality coinage, as Laurence Edwards recently observed.

With the purchase of coining presses and other equipment from the defunct Soho Mint in 1850, the firm of Ralph Heaton and Son not only acquired a distinguished pedigree. It also began coin production. The firm would be managed by three succeeding generations of the Heaton family, by Ralph Heaton II, Ralph Heaton III, and Ralph Heaton IV until 1920, when brother-in-law William E. Bromet assumed leadership. Renamed Ralph Heaton and Sons in 1853, it would change its name later to The Mint, Birmingham, Ltd., and later still to The Birmingham Mint. All three names will be used interchangeably during this presentation.

Over many subsequent decades, Heaton’s mint would win contracts worldwide to produce coining blanks, trade tokens, advertising pieces, minting presses, and national currencies struck in silver, copper, bronze, and other metals for governments such as those of Italy, of Jersey, and of Russia, amongst dozens of others. Heaton’s mint could play this crucial role in global coin production because the Royal Mint was forbidden from accepting any orders of foreign governments and was itself challenged to mint sufficient volumes for Britain’s vast Empire.

Because minting is such a volatile business, it occurs to me that one of the reasons the firm lasted so long must be that for the greater part of its existence it was a highly diversified undertaking, with a product range that included ammunition, gas fittings, medals, metals, ornaments, plumbers’ fittings, tubes, and wire, as seen in a mid-19th century catalogue. Indeed, during times of economic upheaval it was not unusual for the firm to produce only 10-15 percent of its revenues from minting or, during wartime, zero percent, as seen in the production figures for 1862-1889. In large measure, what made the success of those years possible was the 1860 purchase of a site on Icknield Street, Birmingham. The business relocated there two years later. The proprietorship of another generation, Ralph Heaton III, then began and under his leadership the Icknield plant would be greatly expanded to employ some 300 workers. When Ralp Heaton III retired in 1889, the firm became incorporated and its name was changed to The Mint, Birmingham, Limited.

At its height, the firm’s production surpassed that of even the Royal Mint. As others have written, the Birmingham Mint was for a time the world’s largest privately-owned mint and the producer of coins for dozens of nations. Despite the ups and downs of war, depression, and other challenges, it persevered, until its sad, ignominious demise in 2003. It is not possible in this evening’s presentation to summarize adequately the storied numismatic history of The Birmingham Mint, as the Heaton firm came to be known, so I will concentrate on a few highlights and curiosities from the firm’s history before moving on to my main thesis, that The Birmingham Mint should be ranked as the world’s finest private mint ever.

In a sense, the growth of The Birmingham Mint’s business is the story of the Soho Mint rewritten on a larger, imperial stage, a global stage. Where Boulton’s firm started coining British “Conder” tokens, Heaton’s first order came from Australia for trade tokens, for the same reason Conder tokens had been needed 60 years earlier in Britain: a dearth of good quality low-denomination local currency. In 1853 the Royal Mint was overwhelmed producing silver and gold coins, so the Birmingham Mint won its first contract to strike finished coins for Britain – 500 tons of copper, struck over the course of the next three years, with another contract to follow. These coins had no mintmark to identify them as from Birmingham. Of note, during peak operation, the four original Bolton screw presses used by Heaton were striking about 110,000 coins per day. A similar story played out internationally. The Royal Mint could not produce enough currency for Britain’s rapidly expanding empire. The Heatons saw an opportunity and seized it.

Under the direction of Ralph Heaton III, The Birmingham Mint expanded production of metal currency, tokens, minting equipment, and metals. The company struck silver coinage for Newfoundland and Prince Edward Island in 1872, and at about this time supplied a complete mint, including presses and other machinery, to Burma, and considerable minting machinery to the Osaka Mint of Japan. The Birmingham Mint’s greatest engineering achievement, however, was the building of a mammoth mint for China at Canton in 1887. The design and construction of this mint was left to The Birmingham Mint engineers under the direction of Edward Wyon, and included the installation of 90 coining presses.

During its continued expansion, the firm resupplied machinery to the Royal Mint, to the mint at Bangkok, Thailand, and to another mint at Nanking, China. Since at least 1875, coins struck at The Birmingham Mint, including English coins, had a letter H (for Heaton) placed either under or to the left of the date. This custom continued with foreign coins unless the firm was asked not to do so by the ordering government.

In 1911-1912 the Birmingham Mint lost a monopoly position it had held contracting coinage for the Royal Mint. Henceforth, it would have to share contracts with King’s Norton Metal Company, which in 1918 became part of Nobel Industries. Later that firm would become Imperial Metal Industries (or IMI) as a result of mergers. Remember these names, IMI and Kings Norton, because we shall come across them again. Between 1910-1915 several Australian bronze and silver coins were issued with the H for Heaton mintmark. These include Australian silver shillings in 1919.

Another blow fell in 1923 when the almost monopoly position of The Birmingham Mint to supply coinage to foreign, non-empire countries was lost because the Royal Mint was given permission to supply to the world market, although The Birmingham Mint men continued to supply the Royal Mint itself.

During World War I, The Mint’s coining volumes stopped growing as the company turned its focus to supporting munitions production. When leadership transferred to William E. Bromet, a Heaton brother-in-law, the company went into a steady decline lasting until 1935. This period marked the nadir of the firm’s fortunes until then. Annual volumes dropped from just under 50 million pieces to nil during the 1933 depression year. Bromet was a champion rugby player for Oxford but had much less success in business. By 1935 he was no longer with the firm and the Heaton family had lost ownership control.

The years 1935-1960 were marked by uneven performance. In between 1940 and 1964, coin production only counted for 10 to 20% of the entire business. Interestingly, though, between 1949 and 1955, The Birmingham operation coined more than 3 million Maria Theresa thalers, still dated 1780, as is the custom for that coin. That in itself is a curious saga, richly deserving of a presentation all to itself.

Sometime at the beginning of the 1960s, the Royal Mint concluded an agreement with the Birmingham Mint. It stipulated that, on the one hand, The Birmingham Mint was to receive a specified percentage of all overseas orders contracted with the Royal Mint. What the Royal Mint received for this generous courtesy, on the other hand, is not known, but The Mint’s volumes skyrocketed to almost 300 million pieces per year in the late 1960s.

More changes came in the 1970s. In 1977, the company’s name became The Birmingham Mint and a new logo was introduced, to include the uppercase “H”, seen to the left of a mint worker. To note, the 1794 date at bottom is a bit of a stretch, though it does bear a connection to the Heaton family. Ralph Heaton I had begun his button operations around that date, but that was well before Ralph Heaton II commenced his coin making business.

In 1991, IMI acquired a controlling interest in the company and renamed it IMI Birmingham Mint Ltd. The firm logo was changed accordingly and the ribbon at the bottom modified to include an “H” on the left, and “KN” on the right. The former being a reference to the Heaton mint and the latter to the Kings Norton Mint, which IMI owned and folded into its IMI Birmingham operation. A final change came in 1998 when the company’s name was switched back to The Birmingham Mint. But notice that the “H” mintmark has disappeared from the logo.

2001 was a bad year for the Royal Mint. With £5 million in trading losses, it achieved the worst result in its eleven hundred years of existence. Responsible for this was not just a decline in orders, but also high restructuring costs and inefficient operations. As part of a reorganization, it ended its special order-sharing arrangement with The Birmingham Mint. An order for Euro coins was unable to save the company. Worse, it was ordered to destroy specimen Euros it had minted because they were deemed counterfeits by the authorities. The firm managed to repossess most of the samples it had distributed to be destroyed, but it appears that some dozen or so presentation sets were never accounted for! Worse lay ahead.

In March, 2003, the Birmingham Mint was put under administration, due to an acute cash deficiency; two months later it closed. But the imposing 1862 mint building survived. In 2007, the local municipality hoped to convert the structure into a working museum. The effort came to nothing, however. Earlier this year, it looked much as it has during the last 160-plus years, though it has been redeveloped into a housing complex.

According to my numismatic Record Book, which I began keeping in 1973 and use to this day, in 1975 I purchased for $6.95 at Marshall Field’s, Old Orchard – of happy memory – a book entitled, The Coin Makers, by Thomas Becker. It is an account of the development of coinage from earliest times. On page 168, Becker writes: “In Europe, the finest example of a private mint is the Birmingham Mint…” I beg to differ with Becker’s assertion. It is the contention of this paper that The Birmingham Mint is the finest example of a private mint to have ever existed, in relation not only to the scope of its products, the quality of its coins, the duration of its existence, but most particularly to the profuseness of its output for so many countries and governments. My argument for this is as follows:

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Show and Tell

Items shown at our October 9, 2024 meeting,
reported by Deven Kane.

  1. Richard Hathaway showed two French items.
    1. A 1720-A (Paris) ⅓ Ecu struck over a ⅓ Ecu with 8 “L”s (inferred to be 1720 as it is a 1 year type) in the name of Louis XV, who was just 10 years old at that time; a very common issue, but in a high grade (NGC AU-58). It was minted when French finances and trade were controlled by John Law, a Scottish economist who, with permission from the regent for Louis XV, established France’s first national bank. Law also acquired the Mississippi Company to back the bank, take on a substantial portion of France’s national debt, and issue banknotes. As the Mississippi Company ballooned in value, the bank issued more banknotes than they could guarantee; the bubble popped in 1720, collapsing the whole enterprise; Law then fled to Italy.
    2. The book Monnaies Royales: Françaises et de la Révolution, 1610-1794 by Arnaud Clairand, published by cgb.fr in late 2023 and, in Richard’s opinion, is the most comprehensive reference for French royal coinage from Louis XIII-XVI.
  2. Olivia Henderson showed an antoninianus from emperor Postumus, who ruled over the Gallic Empire, a Roman splinter state, from 260-269 AD. The obverse bears his bust, surrounded by the legend IMP C POSTVMVS P F AVG (Imperator Caesar Postumus Pius Felix Augustus), while the reverse legend of ORIENS AVG (Oriens Augusti, which translates to “rising sun of the emperor”) implied good times ahead.
  3. Melissa Gumm showed two medals from the 1893 World’s Columbian Exposition, both made of aluminum and similar in size to a silver dollar.
    1. A very scarce piece featuring a scene of Columbus Discovering America, surrounded by those words and 1492 at the bottom. On the reverse two figures, one a sailor and one a soldier holding a musket, are to either side; in the center can be seen a battleship and a statue. A hole at the top and some research suggest that this was originally a badge.
    2. The Michigan building is featured at center, surrounded by Worlds’s Columbian Exposition and, at the bottom, Childs Chicago. The Michigan building was part of the states exhibit. The reverse has the list of Michigan World’s Fair board members: I.M. Weston, Pres.; E.H. Belden, VP; J.W. Flynn, Treas; Peter White; Mrs. J.S. Valentine; Mrs. J.A. Pond; John T. Rich; Mark W. Stevens, Secy.
  4. While on a recent trip to Ireland, Robert Leonard conducted some research into the evolving representation of St. Patrick. A number of stories were associated with St. Patrick in early times; among these were driving serpents from Ireland, and using the three-leaf shamrock to explain the Holy Trinity to the Druid locals. When St. Patrick was a saint of local significance, his driving serpents from Ireland was the popular story; as he took on a larger presence in the Roman Catholic pantheon of saints, his hagiography emphasized the shamrock story.
    1. An image of St. Patrick, with shamrock and no serpents, in a stained-glass window, circa 1924-25.
    2. An image of St. Patrick, with serpents and no shamrock, dated 1619 but published in 1626.
    3. A large St. Patrick’s coin (“halfpenny”) from the 17th century, showing St. Patrick holding a shamrock, but without any serpent.
    4. A small St. Patrick’s coin (“farthing”) from the 17th century, showing St. Patrick expelling a serpent, but without any shamrock.
  5. Brett Irick showed two Early Republic of Mexico half escudo gold coins, dated 1842 and 1845, with the Mexico City mint mark Mº. For both years less than a thousand were likely made, of which 10 to 15 are known; these mint-state survivors are census condition new purchases. The same reverse die was used to strike both of these coins. These were a huge amount of money, at that time, to 95% or more of the Mexican population. Until 1847 these coins were legal tender in the United States for one dollar, and were made to the same gold weight. Images can be found on NGC coin lookup: certifications 4884167-002 and 6613619-006. The presenter owns the PCGS Crowe Lake (nearly complete) registry set of these coins.
  6. Jeff Amelse showed an 1836 Capped Bust half dime, to whet our appetite for a contemplated future featured presentation. This type was struck only from 1829 to 1837; while putting together a date set is easy, a variety set is hard to complete.
  7. Tyler Rossi showed pieces under the theme of Politics and Propaganda. In May 2022 a Lebanese group called “The Lebanese Transparency Association — No Corruption” released a series of six satirical notes protesting the corruption and incompetence of the Lebanese government. The notes are all labeled “The Currency of Corruption” in English and Arabic. Lebanon used to be called the “Switzerland of the Middle East” because it was the place to do business in the Middle East and had a lively culture and nightlife. Elected officials, more interested in their political party than their country, have destroyed the country, which is now near collapse. Lollar is a term used to describe U.S. dollars that were deposited in Lebanese banks but now can only be withdrawn in Lebanese Livres at highly unfavorable exchange rates. Advertising agency Leo Burnett partnered with acclaimed British artist Tom Young to create the notes. The notes were available at special ATMs in various locations in Beirut. The notes are approximately the size of United States currency. The backs of all the notes depict a modified rendering of the Central Bank building, showing it in ruins and labeled “The Lollar Bank.”
  8. Deven Kane showed two items, neither of which is a circulating coin.
    1. A fantasy piece of someone who ended badly and was never depicted on a coin. This 1970s fantasy Italian piece – denominated at 20 Lire, dated 1928, and minted in Rome – features an up-side-down helmeted bust of Mussolini on one side, and the legend on the other side translates to “Better to live the day of a lion than a hundred years of a sheep.” Made of silver plated nickel, the inverted bust alludes to how Mussolini’ body had been hung by the ankles from a light pole. This currency is not an official mintage. In 1928, King Victor-Emmanuel III was the king and therefore the head of state. Between 1928 and 1943, Benito Mussolini was only president of the council. Between 1943 and 1945, he led the Italian Social Republic, a satellite state of Nazi Germany.
    2. A $10 Dollars NCLT piece from Samoa, commemorating 100 Years of Nefertiti on Berlin’s Museum Island; it refers to an iconic and famous bust of Nefertiti. The 3-dimensional bust, containing 5 ounces of 999 fine silver, is an accurate (but scaled down) rendering of the bust found in Egypt early in the 20th century. The bottom of its round base is the obverse of the 2024 coin, featuring a portrait of King Charles III facing right, with a small Samoan coat of arms below. Nefertiti (circa 1370-1330 BC) was a queen of the 18th Dynasty of Ancient Egypt. The bust is 48 centimeters (19 in) tall and weighs about 20 kilograms (44 lb); it is made of a limestone core covered with painted stucco layers.
  9. Lyle Daly showed imitations, by the Danubian Celts, of the silver tetradrachms of Thasos.
    1. For reference, the obverse image of a coin of Thasos has a head of Dionysos wreathed with ivy, while the reverse features a standing Herakles, the hero of Thasos, leaning on a club and holding a lionskin; there is an M in the left field. All features are realistic and well-executed.
    2. Celtic versions of this coin are “interpretive.” Lyle started with a coin that could be considered crude: the wreath of ivy leaves appears almost as a crown of upward pointing spear tips, while the central figure on the reverse is between and above poor attempts at Greek letters.
    3. Lyle’s second coin, from Numismatic Art, has a cruder obverse and a reverse that is beyond crude – the legends have better attempts at Greek letters, while the central figure has a short trunk, long legs, and long arms merging with the carried items. Lyle then showed that figure in a lineup of similar looking renditions of aliens from outer space.
    4. Lyle concluded with two favorite examples found on the Internet: an auction lot from Leu Numismatic (24 November 2022) has a bust in the abstract style of Picasso and reverse legends are merely rows and columns of paired dots; and an eBay find where the bust head has a long, waved hair braid behind it and four legs under it – the abstract reverse has random devices, looking nothing like the original.
  10. Mark Wieclaw showed design types of St. George slaying the dragon as used on British gold coins, focusing on the broken piece of lance lying on the ground. The motif appeared on four denominations, from seven mints, of eight monarchs.
    1. The 1817 £1 coin (sovereign) introduced the motif of St. George, on horseback, slaying a dragon. He holds part of a lance in his right hand, while the other part of the lance lies on the ground behind the horse’s hind legs.
    2. On an 1821 coin, the broken lance is still on the ground, but the object in St. George’s hand now is a short sword. The streamers from the back of his helmet have been removed.
    3. On a 1982 coin, the streamers from the back of the helmet are back, a sword still is in his right hand, and the broken lance still remains on the ground.
  11. Joseph Boling showed several pieces of mostly WWII-period paper money converted to Christmas greetings by rubber stamp, handwriting, or commercial printing. Included was one from Roy Farrell, who founded an airline after the war, and one from numismatist Dwight Musser, who had a mailer’s permit postmarking device that he used to cancel a Christmas stamp on a note with a Christmas day date in 1991. There was also a Viet Cong propaganda leaflet found by Joe in the perimeter wire at Pleiku in 1968, with printed holiday wishes and asking if the finder would rather be back home.

Reminders:


Annual Member Auction

Here are the lots in our member auction. The auction will be held near the start of the November meeting, after a short time for lot examination.

The auction will be called from our in-person meeting room, and all lots must be picked up when the auction ends – that is when all accounts must be settled, too. If you wish to bid but will not attend in person, please make arrangements with a fellow member: to bid for you, to pick up your won lots, and to pay for you. We do not know how well the remote-support capabilities of our meeting room would support remote bidders.

Donation from John and Nancy Wilson

  1. Twenty-one different pieces of our Club’s Odd and Curious Souvenir Sheets. They were issued from 1990 thru 2011. Only the last two years are missing. (A complete set of 23 pieces sold for $185.00 in our April 13, 2022 auction.)
  2. Eleven different pieces of our Club’s Currency Souvenir Sheets. They include the early issues from 1996 through 2008. (2005 is missing and none issued in 2007.)
  3. An interesting Souvenir Card believed to have been created by club member George Lill, III. He was the featured speaker at the club’s 806th meeting, held on March 8, 1986 at the Chicago International Coin Fair. He lived in Bolivia at the time and his subject was “Hyperinflation in Bolivia.”

Consignment from John Riley

  1. Society of Medalists medal #46. Year: 1952. Sculptor: Karl Gruppe. Obverse: Eagle. Reverse: Boy Scouts. (minimum bid $1)
  2. Chicago Coin Club 400th Meeting counter stamped Mexican Peso. May 14, 1952, .720 silver. (minimum bid $5)
  3. 1896 Chicago Daily News medal. (minimum bid $1)
  4. General John McArthur Illinois State Fair 1907 Pin/Pendant. Marked on the back “Ill State Board of Agriculture to Commemorate Valor of Soldiers.” (minimum bid ($1)
  5. 1893 Chicago Columbian Exposition medal (minimum bid $1)
  6. Medal with legend: Reverse “palmam qui meruit ferat” (He who has earned the palm, let him bear it); Obverse Industry and attention protected and rewarded. (minimum bid $1)

Donation from Rich Lipman

  1. Three books by Q. David Bowers: Passport to Pleasure — A nickel in your pocket (signed); Coin Collecting — Those who led the way; and Alexandre Vattemare — And the numismatic scene (signed).
  2. Book by Leonard Augsburger, Roger Burdette, and Joel Orosz — Truth Seeker: The life of Eric P. Newman.
  3. Book by Randy Siegel and Serge Bloch — One Proud Penny.

Consignment from William Burd Part I

  1. Chicago Numismatic Society/Chicago Collectors Club Token — Undated (circa 1907), brass, 32.5mm.
  2. Chicago Numismatic Society 50th Meeting Medal — March 6, 1908, bronze, 35mm, mintage 100.
  3. Chicago Numismatic Society 100th Meeting Medal — May 3, 1912, bronze, 30.5mm.
  4. Chicago Coin Club 400th Meeting counter stamped Mexican Peso — May 14, 1952, .720 silver, dated 1944.
  5. CCC Fall Festival Tokens — 1959, 1961, and 1962, brass, 3 pcs total.
  6. CCC 1961 Fall Festival Elongated Cents — all different, 4 pcs total.
  7. CCC 1961 Fall Festival Token in Sterling Silver — mintage 10 pcs.
  8. CCC 500th Meeting barrel shaped Medal — 1960, bronze, mintage 246 pcs.
  9. CCC 500th Meeting barrel shaped Medal — 1960, silver, mintage 84 pcs, weight is 3.17 Troy ounces and is 95% pure.

Club Material

  1. 1919 Buffalo Nickel “Sample” NGC Slab commemorating the CCC 100th Anniversary.
  2. CCC 1250th Meeting counterstamped 2023 American Silver Eagle. Only 55 were struck and originally offered at $60.00.
  3. CCC 100th Anniversary Medal in copper. 1919-2019. Buckingham Fountain on one side and the Chicago Water Tower on the other. A tiny light spot of copper at the top of the fountain keeps this from being in perfect condition. #102 of 200. 6 Troy ozs.

Consignment from Bob Feiler

  1. 1966 Chicago ANA 75th Anniversary Diamond Jubilee Convention Badge (minimum bid $15).
  2. Fifth PNG show, Palmer House, Chicago, Illinois, October 11-13, 1968, Chicago Coin Club pin (minimum bid $10).

Donation from Blockers

  1. “Schematic” medal of Carl Wolf, and programs of the “Merciless Roast of Carl Wolf,” along with two CCC 100th anniversary attendance certificates (one signed by attendee).
  2. Eleven meeting-related exonumia for various Chicago Coin Club Anniversary meetings.

Consignment from Nick Weiss

  1. Eight elongated pennies from the CCC 90th anniversary meeting.

Consignment from William Burd Part II

  1. CCC 25th Anniversary Medal — 1944, sterling silver, mintage 315 pcs.
  2. CCC 50th Anniversary Medal — 1969, bronze, 57mm, mintage 182 pcs.
  3. CCC 50th Anniversary Medal — 1969, silver, 57mm, mintage 111 pcs, Serial #780.
  4. CCC 750th Meeting counterstamped 1919 half dollar — July 8, 1981, mintage 67 pcs.
  5. CCC 800th Meeting Medal — Sept 14, 1985, silver, 66 grams, mintage 31 pcs.
  6. CCC 75th Anniversary Plaquette — Discoverers, 1994, bronze. serial #090. mintage 165 pcs.
  7. CCC 1000th Meeting Owl Medal — April 6, 2002. 5 Troy ounce silver, serial #009, mintage 100 pcs (69 silver and 31 with highlights).
  8. CCC 1000th Meeting Medal — April 6, 2002, 5 Troy ounce silver/with gold highlights, serial #087.

Donation from Bob Feiler

  1. Four club anniversary tokens from various Chicago Coin Club Anniversary meetings (three from the 85th meeting, and one from the 90th meeting).

Donation from William Burd

  1. Harry X Boosel Memorabilia from 1942-1966 — Eight convention badges, various membership cards from 1940-1950, 1989 CCC Cabeen Award (honorable mention), 1988 Numismatic Ambassador award, and a Florida license plate

Consignment from William Burd Part III

  1. CCC 95th Anniversary Ferris Wheel Medal — silver, serial #94, 51mm, mintage 95 pcs.
  2. ANA 1933 Chicago Convention Badge by J. Henri Ripstra.
  3. ANA Chicago Convention items including a 1966 badge, 1956 wooden nickel, 1999 medals and tokens — 7 items total.
  4. Chicago Numismatic Roundtable (CNR) Jenny Lind Medals — 1941, 31mm, 3 pcs total (sterling silver, copper, copper nickel).
  5. CNR Fifteenth Anniversary “Good For” Wooden Token — 1949, autographed by six members.
  6. CNR 20th Anniversary Encased Postage — 3 Cent Liberty Stamp.
  7. Central States Numismatic Society 1965 Convention 3 pc souvenir set — Including a 51 gram sterling silver piece.
  8. Chicago Numismatic Society 1913 Membership Medal. Thirteen people joined in 1913, therefore 13 stars are on the reverse. Copper. Box included. Any proceeds over $125 goes to Club Treasury.

Donation from Phil Carrigan

  1. Two pieces of our Club’s Odd and Curious Souvenir Sheets (for plate money and leather money), stock certificate for The New York, Chicago and St. Louis Railroad Company, and CCC October 1961 Fall Festival Sale Auction Catalog.

Donation from Brett Irick

  1. The 78th Edition 2025 Official Red Book, A Guide Book of United States Coins, Limited Edition, Central States Numismatic Society 85th Anniversary Edition, 1939-2024. Only 500 copies were published with the Red Book listing this Red Book value at $50.00.
  2. The 78th Edition 2025 Official Red Book, A Guide Book of United States Coins, Limited Edition, Central States Numismatic Society 85th Anniversary Edition, 1939-2024. Only 500 copies were published with the Red Book listing this Red Book value at $50.00.

Preview of Our December Banquet
(1271st Meeting)

Date: December 11, 2024 This meeting is in-person only.
Time: 6:00pm (cash bar), with complementary hors d’oeuvres.
7:00pm Dinner.
8:00pm Meeting called to order.
Location:Capri Italian Restaurant, 12307 S. Harlem Avenue, Palos Heights, IL 60463.
Details: The cost is $45 if paid by December 5, and will be $50 if paid after. Early commitments and payments are greatly appreciated. Make your reservation by mailing your check (payable to Chicago Coin Club) to P.O. Box 2301, Chicago, IL 60690; or by paying electronically (see the Chatter Matter page for details).
• Our dinner will start off with Fried Calamari and Bruschetta, followed by a House Salad.
• The family-style dinner will be Mostaccioli with Marinara sauce, Chicken Capri, and Vesuvio Potatoes – special dietary requests can be honored.
• Dessert will be Italian Ice and Mini Cannolis.
Parking: Free parking – Valet parking available.
Program: The program will be a 2024 Chicago Coin Club Year-in-Review. Who were our speakers? What were the accomplishments of the club and club members? What did Chicago Coin Club do in 2024 that was new and different for the club? Who were the Members we had to say goodbye to?
Agenda: Award Presentations.
Election of Club Officers.

Our 1270th Meeting

Date: November 13, 2024
Time: 6:45PM CST (UTC-06:00)
Location: Downtown Chicago
At the Chicago Bar Association, 321 S. Plymouth Court, 3rd or 4th floor meeting room. Please remember the security measures at our meeting building: everyone must be prepared to show their photo-ID and register at the guard’s desk.
Online: For all the details on participating online in one of our club meetings, visit our Online Meeting webpage at www.chicagocoinclub.org/meetings/online_meeting.html. Participation in an online meeting requires some advance work by both our meeting coordinator and attendees, especially first-time participants. Please plan ahead; read the latest instructions on the day before the meeting! Although we try to offer a better experience, please be prepared for possible diifficulties.
Member Auction: There is no commission charged to either the buyer or seller. Auction lot viewing will be held before the meeting starts, and again briefly before the auction starts. The auction will be called from our in-person meeting room, and all lots must be picked up when the auction ends – that is when all accounts must be settled, too. We will not accept real-time bids from remote attendees; they should make arrangements with a club member, who will attend in person, to act as their agent during the auction.
Please find elsewhere in this issue of the Chatter a listing of all auction lots that were known to us by Sunday, October 27.

Important Dates

Unless stated otherwise, our regular monthly CCC Meeting is in downtown Chicago, and also online, on the second Wednesday of the month; the starting time is 6:45PM CT.

November 13 CCC Meeting - Club Auction - no featured speaker
November 20 CCC Board Meeting - online only - contact club secretary for access instructions.
December 11 CCC Meeting - Annual Banquet - Program: 2024 Chicago Coin Club Year-in-Review
January 8 CCC Meeting - Featured Speaker - Dale Lukanich on The Last Coinage of the Last Roman Emperor
February 12 CCC Meeting - Featured Speaker - Mark Wieclaw on to be determined
February 27 to March 1 – ANA’s National Money Show at the Cobb Galleria Centre, Atlanta, Georgia. Details at https://www.money.org/NationalMoneyShow
March 12 CCC Meeting - Featured Speaker - to be determined

Chatter Matter

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Club Officers

Elected positions:
John Riley- President
Melissa Gumm- First V.P.
Deven Kane- Second V.P.
William Burd- Archivist
Directors:Ray Dagenais
Mark Wieclaw
Carl Wolf
Steve Zitowsky
Appointed positions:
Richard Lipman- Immediate Past President
Scott McGowan- Secretary
Elliott Krieter- Treasurer
Paul Hybert- Chatter Editor, webmaster
Jeffrey Rosinia- ANA Club Representative

Correspondence

All correspondence pertaining to Club matters should be addressed to the Secretary and mailed to:
CHICAGO COIN CLUB
P.O. Box 2301
CHICAGO, IL 60690

Or email the Secretary at Secretary.ChicagoCoinClub@GMail.com
Payments to the Club, including membership dues, can be addressed to the Treasurer at the above street address.

Payments

Renewing Members Annual dues are $20 a year ($10 for Junior, under 18). Annual Membership expires December 31 of the year through which paid. Cash, check, or money order are acceptable (USD only please). We do not accept PayPal. Email your questions to Treasurer.ChicagoCoinClub@GMail.com Members can pay the Club electronically with Zelle™ using their Android or Apple smart phone. JP Morgan Chase customers can send payments to the Club via Quick Pay. To see if your Bank or Credit Union is part of the Zelle™ Payments Network, go to https://www.zellepay.com Please read all rules and requirements carefully.


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