Volume 69 No. 6 June, 2023

Editor’s Notes

Gone for summer vacation – July Chatter to be delayed.

I will take a five-week vacation this summer, delaying the July Chatter until very late July or early August. The printed Chatter issues for July and August will be mailed together. Each issue will be posted online as soon as it is completed, with the usual link to it being immediately emailed to the usual list.

I will leave less than one week after our June meeting. In the best case, I might be able to temporarily place an abbreviated July Chatter on the club website before I leave; a link to it would be emailed to the usual list.

If you are looking for something to do during your summer doldrums, think of creating an exhibit to show at the ANA’s convention! Although Pittsburgh might be too far away for a trip this August, the convention will be in Rosemont in August 2024. According to the Exhibit Rules, a new Class has been introduced: the new Single-Case Class is for any topic, but the exhibit must fit into a standard exhibiting case.

Paul Hybert, editor

Minutes of the 1252nd Meeting

The 1252nd meeting of the Chicago Coin Club was called to order by President John Riley at 6:45 PM CDT, Wednesday May 10, 2023. This was a hybrid in-person and online meeting. Attendance at the meeting was 20 members and 1 guest in person and 19 online for a total of 40.

Club Meeting Minutes and Treasurer’s Report

The April 2023 session I and II meeting minutes were approved as published in the Chatter, both in print and on the CCC website, with one noted correction. Attendance at the April session II meeting was 40, not 39 as previously published.

The April period treasurer’s report indicated $370.00 revenue (dues and memorabilia sales) and $77.00 expense for Chatter publication, for a period total of $293.00. The April report was approved by the club membership.

New Members

A second reading of the membership application for Thomas Canoles was completed and the membership approved his application.

One new member application was received for Richard Hathaway. Richard collects world and French coins, and was referred by the club secretary. The first membership application reading was completed.

Old Business

  1. As the club continues to improve the hybrid meeting experience for all members, anyone with feedback or comments should provide them to a CCC board member for the May 17 board meeting.
  2. Volunteers needed for the “special projects” committee which will work with the board for creative ways to use the club treasury for the betterment of the club membership.
  3. Legacy Project committee reported that they are in need of numismatic details on club individuals and are requesting the Hall of Fame committee to help pull together details on membership involvements in organizations, collecting topics and other interesting numismatic passions.
  4. Club meeting Speakers line up:
    June — Tyler M. Rossi
    July — Mary Lannin, NYNC Vice President and past CCAC member
    August — Open
    September — Robert Leonard
    October — Marc C. Ricard
    November — Club Auction no speaker
    December — Ray Dagenais
  5. Reminder, we continue our retail concept, buy/sell/trade, off to the side tables during the downtown in-person meetings. If you have items to sell/trade, bring them to the meetings.

New Business

  1. A moment of silence for CCC member Douglas Baldwin who passed April, 2023. Club President John Riley attended the viewing on behalf of the club.
  2. Central States Numismatic Society Convention was a success, the CCC table made some product sales and prompted a new member application.
  3. Mark Wieclaw reported to the club that the annual financial audit was completed by the committee and treasurer, and all was in order.
  4. 2024 World’s Fair of Money: ANA Vice President Joe Boling reported that the ANA Board has approved the CCC as 2024 host club with Dale Lukanich as host chairperson.
  5. Secretary Scott McGowan summarized correspondence sent to the CCC PO Box from candidates running for ANA offices. Letters of numismatic history and involvements were sent to the CCC by candidates for offices as follows:
    Kenny Sammut — running for Governor
    Jeff Rosinia (CCC Member) — running for Governor
    Mary Lynn Garrett — running for Governor
    Henry Mitchell — running for Governor
    Scott encouraged all ANA members to review the ANA candidate forum at the link provided below for a review of all candidates. The following CCC members are running for ANA offices: Tom Uram (President), Jeff Rosinia (Governor), Richard Jozefiak (Governor). ANA members vote for President, Vice President, and up to seven Governors.

Featured Program

Deven Kane on Little Louis, the story of how a piece of small change sparked a fashion craze and then an international scam.

Show and Tell

Second Vice President Deven Kane announced there were 12 Show and Tell presentations.


  1. ANA officer candidate’s forum can be viewed at This page lists the names and bios of the candidates, as well as a 1-hour video of the candidate’s statements and Q&A.

The next meeting will be June 14, 2023 6:45pm at the Chicago Bar Association.

John Riley adjourned the meeting at 9:14pm CDT.

Respectfully Submitted,
Scott A. McGowan, Secretary

Douglas Baldwin (1961-2023)

Douglas Baldwin of Arlington Heights, Illinois passed on April 24, 2023; he was 61 years of age. Doug became member number 1284 when he joined the Chicago Coin Club in April, 2019.

Doug collected a wide range of numismatic subjects including American coins and currency, English and German medieval, Greek and Roman Ancients, as well as numerous Numismatic friends and associates. In fact, two friends contributed to Doug joining the CCC as noted on his membership application; Doug cited John Kent’s “casual coin discussions” and Steve Zitowsky as “talked me into joining.”

Doug was a high school Bible philosophy and history teacher at the Christian Liberty Academy for over 32 years, and was originally from Indiana. He was involved in and helped create some of the homeschool Bible curriculum and taught mathematics.

Doug was a member of the American Numismatic Association as well, and always volunteered as an Ambassador to help staffing at the ANA World’s Fair of Money when the shows were in Rosemont and the CCC was host club.

In addition to the CCC and the ANA he was a member of the Art Institute of Chicago, the Chicago Botanical Gardens, the Field Museum, the Arlington Heights Historical Museum, and a member and docent at the Oriental Institute.

Doug is survived by his mother, Beverly Kesot Baldwin; sister, Sandra Maggart (Zach) and their children; sister, Sharon Baldwin; and his cat, Kuyper. There was a memorial service for all who knew Doug at the Christian Liberty Academy, 502 W. Euclid Ave., Arlington Heights, Illinois 60004 on Sunday, May 7, 2023, from 5:30 pm to 6:30 pm. A service for family and friends took place at 1:00 pm on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, at Grant Memorial Park Mausoleum Chapel, 1606 W. 26th St., Marion, Indiana 46953.

Speaker’s Wor[l]d
Docendo Discimus, We Learn by Teaching

presented by Mark Wieclaw,
to our April 29, 2023 meeting

The motto of the Chicago Coin Club is Docendo Discimus, which is latin for “We learn by teaching.” Mark feels that the ability for us to learn by teaching is one of the great things about being in a club. Many of us like to show what we collect, and to share stories about them. Of the many considerations when buying a coin, Mark also thinks of to whom he can show it. We make an impact on others, whether fleeting or long lasting, whether on one or many.

Mark encouraged us to share our knowledge, suggesting a few methods: write a book or article, place an educational exhibit, give presents, or give a talk. Performing the research for any of these will increase your knowledge. As you start, you will find out how little you know. Remember to reach out to fellow club members for assistance when you have a question.

Because it is difficult to proof read your own material, find someone to help. That person does not need to be an expert – you want someone to find the poor phrasing, unclear points, and rough spots. You want your writing to teach that person, not leave that person confused.

On certain occasions, Mark has handed out elongated coins made for the occasion. Sometimes, a recipient shows Mark an elongated from a prior occasion – it is not just numismatists who keep these items. Most people do not have elongateds made because of the cost, and focus is needed – to have elongateds made in 1986 for the birth of his first daughter, Mark’s first phone call from the hospital was to the elongated manufacturer. His earlier article, “Celebrating Life Through Elongateds,” did inspire other to have their own made.

Creating and showing an Educational Exhibit at a coin show are other ways of increasing your knowledge and sharing it. (Just do not get hung up on pleasing all the judges, because you cannot.) In your exhibit, give enough information to pique the interest of the viewer. In 1984, Mark created an exhibit for a Joliet show, where a judge gave it a grade of 95. When Mark showed it at the ANA convention in Detroit, that judge gave the exhibit a grade of 46 – when asked about it later, he explained that while it was great for Joliet, “this is the ANA!”

In the late 1980s, Mark showed an exhibit at three different shows (ILNA, MSNS, and FUN); John Wilson and another collector also each had an exhibit at the three shows; at each show, the Best of Show went to a different exhibit – three different Best of Show winners with the same exhibits, but with different judges. Mark pointed out club member Jeff Rosinia as someone who does not care about the judges’ scoring; he just wants to show interesting items and pique the viewer’s interest. At the 1991 ANA, Mark’s exhibit on ancient error coins was second in its class; after the result was announced, Walter Breen shook Mark’s hand and said he had learned some things from the exhibit.

If you have the opportunity, talk in front of an audience. Many people have offered hints for speakers – “Speak with confidence” from Neil Shafer, for example – and Mark offers, “Make an outline.” In college, an instructor required outlines before the first two in-class talks, but not before the third talk – Mark’s first two talks went well, but his third talk bombed because he had no guide!

When you give a presentation, there is no way to know the effect it will have and what might result. At a 1993 talk at a high school, Mark handed out late 3rd century Roman bronze coins that had been donated by Harlan Berk. Years later, the history teacher for one of Mark’s daughters showed him the bronze coin he had handed out – the presentation had inspired her to become a History teacher.

As an example of a smaller sharing effort, Mark told a tale starting after the release of the 1995 edition of David Hendin’s Guide to Biblical Coins. Mark gave a copy of the prior edition, along with examples of some of the coins, to a Reverend Winkler who was not a coin collector. In 2005 at a Roselle church, Mark met another Reverend Winkler – a son of the first, who now held the book and the coins!

The tradition of a short snorter to mark an occasion is known to most of us, so Mark did not spend much time on the concept; autographs on a piece of currency or pieces taped together, if you did not know. Mark has created a short snorter keepsake for farewell and retirement celebrations; both recipients, neither is a collector, were inspired to create short snorters for future celebrations with family and friends.

The key to his effort have been to make it interesting and not too technical. This report does not cover all the examples mentioned by Mark, and it likely skimps on the details. If you missed this presentation at the CSNS convention and would like to know more, look for Mark when he gives this program at the ANA’s 2023 convention in Pittsburgh this August.

Speaker’s Wor[l]d
Little Louis

by Deven Kane,
presented to our May 10, 2023 meeting

This is the story of how a piece of small change sparked a fashion craze and then an international scam. The small coin was the French 5 sous coin, a small silver coin valued, in the 17th century, at 1⁄12 of a Spanish 8 reales or “Spanish dollar.” In 1641, Louis XIII had introduced the Louis d’argent, also known as an écu, valuing it as equivalent to the Spanish dollar; it was declared equal to three of the old livre tournois (each of which contained 20 sous tournois), so that a Spanish dollar was equal to 60 sous.

Louis XIV became King at the age of 4 and reigned for 72 years, 1643-1715. His first coins showed a realistic childish bust of the King, appropriate for someone known as Little Louis (or petit Louis in French, or Luigino in Italian). The obverse of a shown 5 sous coin dated 1662 has a bust of Louis XIV as a young man, while the reverse continues to show a crowned coat of arms of France. In France, it was not only the king who issued coins. We saw a 1⁄12 écu from the French principality of Dombes, with a bust of the Princess of Dombes, Anna Maria Louise d‘Orléans (1627-1693), on the obverse; her father was a brother of Louis XIII, so she was a cousin of Louis XIV.

In the middle of the 17th century, the Ottoman Empire faced a significant crisis in silver coinage, particularly of the low and mid-level values. By the reign of Mehmed IV (1648-1687) the little akçe was barely being produced, and people had lost confidence in Ottoman silver coinage due to debasements. Useful coins like the beşlik (5 akçes) were not minted in sufficient quantity to meet the demand. Ottoman merchants and other consumers turned to foreign specie to make up the silver shortfall. Big trade coins like the Dutch lion dollar or the Spanish dollar were useful for larger transactions, but something was needed for smaller change.

French merchants were very influential in the Ottoman realms by his point, and they began importing a new coin, the 1⁄12 écu, from the 1640s. This proved such a popular coin that by the late 1650s it was one of the most important pieces of currency in the Ottoman realms. It was valued locally at 1⁄8 of a Spanish dollar, and so became known as a timmin, a corruption of the Arabic for “an eighth.” In France they were worth less, at 1⁄12 of a Spanish dollar, meaning they had a higher purchasing power in the Ottoman Empire enabling higher profit for French merchants. As a result, they were imported in huge quantities into the Ottoman Empire.

While the Luigino addressed the pressing need for silver currency, what made the demand unexpected was its sudden emergence as an item of fashion – particularly among women. Women wanted these coins to decorate their dresses and the coat of arms was looked at as a good luck charm. As a small silver coin, it was in reach of a lower socio-economic strata while the elites preferred gold. The Dombes head was particularly preferred. As the demand grew, Turkish soldiers on campaign in Crete insisted on being paid in this coin.

Attracted by the opportunity to make money quickly, other nobles with the right to mint coins produced pieces similar in design to the 1⁄12 écu. Not satisfied with the profits to be had legally, some issued coins in debased silver. Jean Chardin noticed the situation during his visit to Turkey in the 1670s that was chronicled in his work Voyages du chevalier Chardin en Perse et autres lieux de l’Orient.

“This trade, which was basically extremely unfair, is that of five sol pieces, which made so much noise in its time. The Turks, who called them timmin, took the first ones at ten sous a piece, or six for an ecu. They remained at this price for some time, then dropped to seven and a half cents. They did not want any other coins. All of Turkey was filled with it and we never saw another coin again, because the French imported it. This good fortune blinded them so much that they were not satisfied with the great profit they made, they wanted to make more; they started altering the five penny pieces, and they started making them out of low-alloy silver first at Dombes, then at Orange and Avignon.”

Prince Giambattista Centurioni appeased his conscience by consulting a theologian who stated that the faults lay with those who did not carry out the assay to evaluate the quality of the coins, especially since they were used as an ornament and not as actual coins. Princess Violante Lomellini D’Oria consulted 12 experts and relied on the three who said it was fine to mint the fakes. Whether the Papal Legate of Avignon and the Abbot of Lerino had doubts is not known.

Deven showed slides with images of these pieces from many issuers, starting with those using a bust similar to that of the Princess of Dombes on one side and the crowned French shield on the reverse. Some issuers used a local bust and shield on their products. These are known from not just French entities – we saw pieces from Malta, the Papal States, other Italian places, Swiss Neuchatel, and other places. A 1665 piece showed the young Prince of Orange, William III, who was only 15 years of age.

Deven shared with us some contemporary responses to these coins, from Antonio Serristori, the governor of Livorno, to Grand Duke Ferdinando II de’Medici in June of 1665. “Here [in Livorno] there is great confusion for these blessed Luigini. The Depositary recommends with great haste that you do not let yourself be rushed or introduce bad coins and there are good ones and bad ones of these Luigini, but we don’t know which mints are the good ones and which ones are the bad ones; that, however, it will be necessary to have a distinct note of it because continuing with this uncertainty does not go well and serves only to make these merchants disgusted and uncomfortable, many times without purpose. This morning a boat from France arrived which has plenty of it. Until now, two sorts have been seen, of which the exhibits are enclosed so that your Highness can see them and be able to order whether or not they should be afforded. And in order to have here a certain rule for the future of all the fates of said Luigini, it would be necessary to know what alloy those who have to let themselves go must be…”

In another message, “A character has arrived called by these French General Commissioner of the King’s mints who is out to remedy the inconveniences of these Luigini since the King does not want that in the future the French vessels bring to the Levant unless beaten in his mints. And for this purpose, a person by post went to Smyrna with an assayer and with the order that all these coins that will be brought in with French vessels must be unloaded at the consul’s house and there they will be assayed to recognize which ones must be allowed to pass and which ones must not.”

In 1667 the English, who had a trade surplus with the Turks, discovered that the silver content of the coins was a third lower than it should have been. They complained to the Sublime Porte. With the Cretan War winding down and not having the need to pay soldiers, the Turks complained to the French. Jean-Baptiste Colbert, the Contrôleur général des finances, forbade the processing of Luigini. On July 10, 1667 Genoa forbade not just speculation but even possession of the coins. So the speculators moved on to other fiefdoms outside the direct control of France and Genoa. By the 1670s the fashion craze was over and the disposal of the debased coins was the problem. Pope Innocent XII not so innocently minted the last of these coins in the 1690s in Avignon.

When the Ottoman government finally acted, genuine timmins were allowed to remain in circulation as Ottoman coinage, and to show they contained the proper silver purity they were stamped in commercial centers like Izmir with an official government countermark which translates to “genuine currency.” Sometimes the number Λ•, (80) was stamped too, to denote the Islamic year 1080 (1699).

There are collectors and students of this coinage. The standard reference works are by Maurice Cammarano and are titled Corpus Luiginorum; the 1998 book (408 pages) is in French and Italian, while the 2020 book (240 pages) is in Italian. Some of the coin types are considered scarce, rare, or unique.

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Show and Tell

Items shown at our May 10, 2023 meeting,
reported by Deven Kane.

  1. Who knew that October 8th and 9th, 1871 would see two historic fires: the Forgotten Fire and the Great Fire? Melissa Gumm showed three items:
    1. A commemorative for the “Forgotten Fire” as it became known, in Peshtigo, Wisconsin. For the 1971 centennial, a silver round was created to commemorate and honor those killed in October of 1871 when the booming logging town north of Green Bay burned to the ground. The obverse features 1871 – Peshtigo – 1971, with what appears to be a hand rising out of flames holding two buildings: a barn/house and a church. On the reverse “Peshtigo The city reborn from the ashes of America’s most disastrous forest fire. More than 1200 people lost their lives. Wisconsin.”
    2. From the “Great Fire” in Chicago, a medal made from the bell of the Chicago Courthouse which burned in the Chicago fire. The 51mm medal was designed by William Barber and minted by the US mint and in 1872. The obverse features a city in flames with a winged figure flying above, under which Chicago Oct 8-9 1871, Fort Dearborn Chico, 1812. To the left, W. Barber. On the reverse we see a phoenix rising from flames amid smoke, surrounded by Made from Chicago Courthouse Bell, Semper Resurgens.
    3. The Official Chicago Fire Centennial Medal. On the front of the medal we see both the destruction and emergence of the metropolitan city of today. In the ruins we see the old water tower, which survived the fire. Representing 1971 Chicago are the First National Bank building, Marina City, Lake Point Tower, and the John Hancock building. On the reverse is the seal of the city of Chicago surrounded by 21 stars acknowledging Illinois as the 21st state. The medal was designed by Elgin sculptor Trygve Rovelstad, who had studied under Lorado Taft. The medal was struck by the Medallic Art Company of New York.
  2. Noah Graf showed two coins on the theme of: Imperial Firsts and Lasts on the same coin.
    1. A 1913 Ruble of the Russian Empire, the Romanov Dynasty Tercentenary Commemorative. The obverse has, at left, a portrait of Tsar Nicholas II, the reigning emperor; at right, a stylized portrait of Tsar Michael I, founder of the House of Romanov, elected Tsar in 1613. The reverse has the Coat of Arms of the Russian Empire, with double date at bottom, 1613-1913. The rim has edge lettering with moneyer’s initials, BC.
    2. A 1901 5-Mark German Empire, Kingdom of Prussia Bicentennial Commemorative, Uncirculated but cleaned. The obverse has, at left, a stylized portrait of King Friedrich I, who adopted the title ‘King in Prussia’ in 1701; at right, a portrait of Kaiser Wilhelm II, the reigning King of Prussia and German Emperor; a double date after the royal names, 1701 / 1901. The reverse has the Coat of Arms of the German Empire, with denomination at bottom. The rim has edge lettering “Gott Mit Uns.”
  3. Bob Leonard showed three 1930s sales tax tokens with political counterstamps.
    1. A Missouri cardboard 1 mill one-thousandth of a dollar), first issue 1935-37 with a blank reverse; counterstamped on reverse END THIS/ BY/ VOTING A/ REPUBLICAN/ TICKET.
    2. A Missouri cardboard 1 mill, first issue 1935-37 with blank reverse; counterstamped on reverse BRING EM BACK/ TO MISSOURI/ VOTE YES/ PROP. 4. In 1936, Proposition 4 amended the Missouri constitution to create a Conservation Department.
    3. An Oklahoma 1 [mill] aluminum, third issue 1937-41, counterstamped on both sides in black ink HUEY LONG/ CLERK/ SUPREME COURT. (Huey Long of Oklahoma was no relation to the famous Huey Long of Louisiana; he claimed to have stamped 100,000 1 mill tokens, though they are rare today, R9. Despite this advertising, the results were: incumbent, 64,726 votes; Long, 18,420; and Daniel Boone (sic), 11,521. “Mae West” was a candidate in another race in this election.)
  4. Tyler Rossi showed a British propaganda copy of the Karl Goetz “Sinking of the Lusitania” medal. The obverse has, in high relief, the SS Lusitania sinking with war cargo spilling from her deck. The legend 'KEINE BANN WARE' (No contraband goods) around top edge. In a panel at the bottom the legend: DER GROSS DAMPFER / LUSITANIA / DURCH EIN DEUTSCHES / TAUCHBOOT VERSENKT 5 MAI 1915 (The great steamer Lusitania was sunk by a German U-boat 5 May 1915). The reverse has, in high relief, Death sitting at a ticket booking office of the Cunard Line (marked with the legend FAHRKARTEN AUSGABE or ticket office) giving out tickets to a line of passengers; the German Ambassador to the United States, Count Bernstorff above stating GESHAFT UBER ALLES (Business above all). An original hinged box depicting the liner steaming from left to right, below which are six lines of text R.M.S. LUSITANIA: CUNARD LINE. 32000 TONS: SUNK ON HER RETURN JOURNEY FROM THE UNITED STATES BY A GERMAN SUBMARINE MAY 7TH. 1915. Also, an original “explanatory” illustrated leaflet.
  5. Deven Kane showed three medals, of which two are from doomed monarchs.
    1. An undated bronze medal, as a Memorial to Charles I of England, 1625-1649, by James and Norbert Roettier. The king’s armored and draped bust appears under a hand from clouds holding crown, with sheep in a field below. Born in Antwerp, Norbert Roettiers (1665-1727) was a member of an illustrious family of engravers, goldsmiths, and silversmiths. He was employed in the British Royal Mint from about 1684 onwards, and in 1690 was officially the given post (together with his brother James) of assistant engraver. He was a strong Jacobite and left England about 1695 to attach himself to the Stuart court. He was later appointed engraver-general to the French mint.
    2. From Iran, a 1971 silver Nowruz (Persian New Year) medal for the Physical Education Organization of Iran, with conjoined busts of Muhammad Reza Pahlavi Shah, 1941-1979, and his wife the Queen on one side, and a riding polo player swinging a club at a ball, within a laurel wreath, on the other side.
    3. A medal and a pin from my walk in the Floating Pig – I mean Flying Pig – Marathon in Cincinnati this past weekend.
  6. Bob Feiler showed two reprinted notes, the $7 and $8 bills from the Merchants’ Bank of the South Carolina at Cheraw, which were purchased at the Central States show. The original slightly damaged printing plates were discovered in the 1960s. Notes were reprinted from those restored and cleaned up plates, on both paper and cardboard stock, and are available occasionally on the numismatic market. The original $6, $7, $8, and $9 are very rare. Remaining original bank notes were sold at the American Bank Note Co. archives auctions in 2003. The bank was chartered in 1833 with starting capital of $500,000. The bank closed in 1865.
  7. Jim Ray showed two Canadian $2 coins, which are called toonies. One with a black rim honoring Queen Elizabeth's death, and one with the usual nickel-plated steel rim. The black rim is reminiscent of a mourning armband.
  8. John Kent showed a sequence of 5 Copper coins spanning the French Revolution era, pointing out the changes.
  9. Mark Wieclaw showed a Constantius II siliqua (circa 353) overstruck on a denarius of Caracalla (circa 207). He also showed pictures of the coins likely to have been involved; Caracalla appeared without a beard on coins during 207-209, and only the Siscia mint used “VOT XXX MVLT XXXX” as a legend (351-355).
  10. Dale Lukanich showed emergency lead coinage of Antioch, issued after sixth century earth quakes. Lead is great for an emergency coinage: it is easy on the dies, and the coins will be replaced before they quickly wear out. Although these enigmatic lead coins are listed under “uncertain mint” in Dumbarton Oaks, they should be attributed to the mint of Antioch.
    1. First he showed a map of current Turkey and Syria, marked with colors showing the intensity of the main quake on May 29, 526, when reportedly 250,000 died. During a quake on November 29, 528, reportedly 5,000 died. At some point in 528, the name of the city was changed to THEOPOULIS (City of God). The coinage (Follis & half follis) of Justinian l of 527 shows the mint as ANTIX. Starting some time in 528 C.E. the mint is shown as ΘVΠO.
    2. A lead 3 Nummi piece of Justinian I (527-565), apparently struck in the aftermath of the earthquake that devastated Antioch in 528. The KΘ marking (within a circle) corresponds to the number (5)28.
    3. A lead Pentanummium of Justinian I, with a KΘ within a circle.
    4. A lead Decanummium of Justinian I, with a KΘ within a circle on one side and a large I (flanked by two crosses) on the other side.
  11. Complementing the featured presentation, Winston Zack showed four Luigino, or 1⁄12 ecu, dated 1666. All are from a region in northwestern Italy; there were other issuers in this area, but he does not have examples from those mints yet.
    1. The piece from Loano is worn and has a few deep scratches. The crowned shield on the reverse is of France.
    2. The piece from Tassarolo is in nice condition and its reverse appears to have the same crowned shield.
    3. The piece from Torriglia is well worn and has a square hole punched in it. Finally this evening, a luigino that might have been attached to a garment! The reverse has a crowned French shield.
    4. The piece from Fosdino Vo is nice and sharp. On the reverse, the crowned French shield is in a slightly different style.
  12. After giving some historical background, Joe Boling told of the available artifacts from a currency conversion. Okinawa was under US trusteeship for almost thirty years after WWII, and had been using US dollars for currency since 1958. When the Japanese resumed control of the Ryukyu Islands (set for 15 May 1972), the issue of conversion of US dollars to yen arose. The US dollar was no longer tied to gold and its exchange rate against the yen was falling. Residents were going to lose money if they changed their dollars for yen in May 1972 rather than on the date of announcement of the planned reversion. In order to protect residents from this potentially disadvantageous exchange, all cash was registered on forms authenticated with an unissued postage stamp celebrating the Iriomote National Park. At reversion time, that amount of cash would be allowed for conversion at the earlier rate. The cash that was registered was marked with a variety of rubber stamps to prevent its being registered again. The original rubber stamp to be used was disliked by some because it said in effect “celebrate reversion,” and not all residents were happy about it. Since anybody can mark a note that way, there is no premium for registered notes unless there is a good provenance back to the events. The best collectible is a registration certificate that did not get used when the May 1972 reversion actually occurred. They are primarily available in philatelic auctions, because they bear the unissued Iriomote Park stamp, now referred to as an essay.


Minutes of the Chicago Coin Club Board

May 17, 2023

The meeting was called to order by club President John Riley at 6:03PM.

Board members present for the meeting were John Riley, Melissa Gumm, Deven Kane, Scott McGowan, Elliott Krieter, Paul Hybert, Carl Wolf, Bill Burd, Mark Wieclaw, Steve Zitowsky, Rich Lipman, and Ray Dagenais. Absent was Jeff Rosinia. One guest was present, Dale Lukanich, the 2024 ANA World‘s Fair of Money host club chairperson.

Old Business:

  1. The board continued the discussion from the February board meeting about strategy for using portions of the club treasury for membership investment and development. Ideas ranged from Scholarships to publication grants. A committee will consist of John Riley, Jeff Rosinia, Rich Lipman, Elliott Krieter, Carl Wolf, and Mark Wieclaw. The committee will meet to discuss budget, ideas, frequency of spends i.e., annual vs. single project. Committee to formulate a survey to the club membership for club secretary to send via Google surveys.
  2. Virtual Symposium with NYNC status. With the transition to new club Presidents for both the CCC and NYNC, we need to reach out to the NYNC for current status. It was recommended that the board reach out to Bob Leonard and Gerry Anaszewicz who are both members of both CCC and NYNC to assist with the project. Carl Wolf to follow up with Bob and Gerry. Recommendation of topics to be ancient coins, US Coins, World Coins. John Riley to collect any notes from Lyle Daly on the project.
  3. Legacy Project: Lyle Daly has been active in moving this along, reaching out to members for interviews and has completed some raw interview footage.
  4. Director and officer insurance update: two quotes were presented to the board. Great American at $811.00/year and Berkley at $951.00 + 15% fee /year. Concerns were discussed that this cost is approximately 40 members’ dues which is considerable. Other clubs have researched this but not moved forward; however, larger numismatic organizations have implemented it. No firm decision yet on proceeding with this insurance.
  5. Update needed for various Numismatic books in possession of the CCC from two estates. Nine books from the Needleman estate and 23 books from the Carrigan estate. Decision to place in the November auction. Also discussed for Bill to bring to CCC meeting in June for monthly review/sales to club members before November auction, and books would be stored with CCC AV equipment at the CBA. Carl Wolf to reach out to the Estate for final disposal wishes if books do not sell after the auction.
  6. Club meeting Audio improvements: May‘s meeting was much better than earlier hybrid meetings. Suggestion to have a microphone midway down the meeting room will be reviewed. We need to have active monitoring of the online chat for questions from members online.
  7. 1250th meeting comments: Excellent event; we still have two remaining counterstamped SAE for sale.

New Business:

  1. ANA 2024 World‘s Fair of Money: ANA board has approved CCC as host club and Dale Lukanich as host chairperson. Dale spoke to the board and said he would do his best to represent the club. Dale has the host club committees together and has reached out to committee chairs. Dale asked Deven Kane to set up and host the virtual meetings, planning on doing remote meetings and two in-person meetings starting in September 2023. Assistant host club chairperson is to-be-determined.
  2. November annual CCC auction items are shaping up. The auction will be November 8, the usual meeting night. We have a collection of CCC medals and tokens from David Simpson for the auction, and room for more items.
  3. Our inventory of medals was reviewed as follows: 29 copper 100th anniversary medals (10 at Harlan J. Berk’s) and two 1250th Silver American Eagles.
  4. December Banquet: Melissa Gumm indicated that the 2022 banquet at Cooper’s Hawk was very well received by the club membership. Club member Jim McMenamin offered the possibility to host the banquet at the Cliff Dwellers Arts Club in downtown Chicago, which has great city views.
  5. Retail project at monthly meetings is starting slow but gaining interest. We should remind and encourage members they can participate.
  6. Chatter publications schedule: Paul reported that the July issue will be delayed; it will be mailed with the printed August issue. Secretary Scott McGowan has sent Chatter advertising renewal letters to three advertisers, and one to a new potential advertiser for the June 2023 – May 2024 newsletters.
  7. Hall of Fame: Committee of Deven Kane, Bob Feiler, and Carl Wolf will call for volunteers.
  8. Review of unpaid 2023 dues: the following individuals will be removed from the membership.
    Alexander, Pat
    Costello, Ben
    Jansen, Brandon
    Piekarczyk, Joseph
  9. Member Karen Jach resigned; she is cutting back on meetings and shows.

Next CCC Board Meeting on August 16, 2023 at 6:00pm CDT.

President John Riley adjourned the meeting at 7:41pm CDT.

Respectfully Submitted,
Scott A. McGowan, Secretary

Our 1253rd Meeting

Date: June 14, 2023
Time: 6:45PM CDT (UTC-05:00)
Location: Downtown Chicago
At the Chicago Bar Association, 321 S. Plymouth Court, 3rd or 4th floor meeting room. Please remember the security measures at our meeting building: everyone must be prepared to show their photo-ID and register at the guard’s desk.
Because things can change between when this is written and we meet, please bring your face covering to the meeting – all attendees must follow the city’s and building’s rules.
This will be another attempt at a regular in-person meeting in the post-Covid-19 era. We will try for a better experience than in the past, but please be prepared for possible diifficulties.
Online: For all the details on participating online in one of our club meetings, visit our Online Meeting webpage at Participation in an online meeting requires some advance work by both our meeting coordinator and attendees, especially first-time participants. Please plan ahead; read the latest instructions on the day before the meeting!
Featured Program: Tyler RossiThe Two Sides of a Bosnian Bill: the Story of a Divided Country
After years of always vicious, often genocidal, fighting in which no side escaped unharmed, Bosnia lay in ruins. Finally, the Dayton Peace Accords were signed bringing together the three warring groups – Serb, Croat, and Bosniak – to create a new shared government. In fact, BiH is still governed by the Dayton Accords, and to this day remains the only country in the world to be governed by a peace treaty. The Accords split the country into two national entities: the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and the Republika Srbska, both of which would retain separate governments, police forces, court systems, and customs services. As a result of these combined ethnic tensions and monetary inflation, it became clear that Bosnia needed a new currency. This is the story of how a series of contentious post-war debates led to a bifurcated currency!

Important Dates

Unless stated otherwise, our regular monthly CCC Meeting is in downtown Chicago and also online on the second Wednesday of the month; the starting time is 6:45PM CT.

June 14 CCC Meeting - Featured Speaker - Tyler Rossi on The Two Sides of a Bosnian Bill: the Story of a Divided Country
July 12 CCC Meeting - Featured Speaker - Mary Lannin on History of Collecting: Parallel Lives of Samuel Jean Pozzi and Fenerly Bey
August 8-12 ANA in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Admission is free for ANA members — see for details.
August 9 CCC Meeting - Featured Speaker - to be announced
September 7-9 ILNA 2023 Annual Coin & Currency Show at the Tinley Park Convention Center, 18451 Convention Center Drive, Tinley Park, Illinois 60477. Details, including hours and events, are available at
September 13 CCC Meeting - Featured Speaker - Robert D. Leonard on When Princes Overpromise: “Latin” Imitations of Villehardouin (Plus Sutton Hoo and King Offa)
October 11 CCC Meeting - Featured Speaker - Marc Ricard on The Red Book Special Editions and Their Histories
November 8 CCC Meeting - Club Auction - no featured speaker

Chatter Matter

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Club Officers

Elected positions:
John Riley- President
Melissa Gumm- First V.P.
Deven Kane- Second V.P.
William Burd- Archivist
Directors:Ray Dagenais
Mark Wieclaw
Carl Wolf
Steve Zitowsky
Appointed positions:
Richard Lipman- Immediate Past President
Scott McGowan- Secretary
Elliott Krieter- Treasurer
Paul Hybert- Chatter Editor, webmaster
Jeffrey Rosinia- ANA Club Representative


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P.O. Box 2301

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Payments to the Club, including membership dues, can be addressed to the Treasurer at the above street address.


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