|Volume 68 No. 4||April, 2022|
The 1238th meeting of the Chicago Coin Club was called to order by President Lyle Daly at 6:46 PM CST, Wednesday March 9, 2022. This was a Hybrid in-person and online meeting, which was hosted by Deven Kane using the WebEx platform. Attendance at the meeting was 9 in person and 22 online for a total of 31 attendees.
President Lyle Daly opened the meeting with a statement of Hybrid Meeting Protocols.
The following points are an extract from the script we are using to improve our hybrid meeting experience. Please note the following minor changes that we will be making in how we conduct our meeting.
- To avoid audio feedback, in-person attendees are asked to turn off their cell phones prior to entering the meeting room.
- Just before the meeting is called to order, all remote attendees will be placed on mute. During the meeting, you must unmute yourself to comment or ask a question. You may also use the chat function online.
- All in-person attendees making reports, such as treasurer, secretary, and committee chairs, are to come to the podium to make their statement.
- All questions and comments from the in-person attendees must be repeated by the person at the podium.
- Show and Tell will be categorized by in person and online exhibits.
- The individuals physically present, especially those commuting by train, should exhibit first and come to the podium.
- Remote exhibitors follow.
Club Meeting Minutes and Treasurer’s Report
The February 2022 meeting minutes were approved as published in the Chatter, both the printed version and the online version located on the CCC website.
Treasurer Elliott Krieter presented Treasurer’s report for the February period. Period Income $830.00 (Dues, Life membership); Expenses $2,647.00 (Medals, Webex software and Print and Postage expense); for a period total of $-1,817.00. The report was approved.
New Members and Communications
Secretary Scott McGowan introduced one guest, Mr. Tim Carollo, who was invited by Lyle Daly. No new member applications were received, and there were no communications by phone or email to the club.
On January 13th, 2021, my first meeting as president of the Chicago Coin Club (CCC), I cautioned members who are high profile, officers, and board members (both past and present) to carefully consider their communications and actions as they may reflect upon the Chicago Coin Club. That was captured in our minutes published in the February, 2021 Chatter.
The issue was recently highlighted in an email exchange with the Central States Numismatic Society (CSNS) regarding their advertisement in our Chatter for the upcoming convention. The relationship with the Central States organization is one that the Chicago Coin Club values, along with the ANA, ANS, ILNA, and all related numismatic organizations.
Board members, officers, and appointees are the only entities who can formally communicate with other organizations on behalf of the CCC. These individuals are aware that any communication that could be deemed confrontational should be routed through the office of the president and, if necessary, reviewed by the board prior to communicating.
CCC members who are members of other numismatic organizations, and are communicating with those organizations, are asked to clearly indicate they are members of that organization.
Obviously, this does not apply to inquiries about, or applications for, membership in other numismatic organizations.
I acknowledge we have freedom of speech but, what you say and do can negatively impact the club and its members. As a club, we support all efforts to promote numismatics through conventions, publications, and educational programs.
First V.P. John Riley introduced the Featured Program, Deven Kane on How Numismatics Helped Rediscover a Forgotten Empire. Afterwards, Second V.P Melissa Gumm announced the evening’s five exhibitors.
The next meeting, which will be the club’s annual auction, will be on April 13, 2022. Auction lots are settled, no more personal items will be accepted unless they are donated to benefit the club. All bidding will be in-person only, and members must pay and take won items that night.
Lyle Daly adjourned the meeting at 8:12pm CST.
Scott A. McGowan, Secretary
a presentation by Deven Kane,
to our March 9, 2022 meeting.
By 1835 most of India had been conquered by the British East India company, a conquest that would be completed by 1849. East India Company officials and scholars started discovering strange inscriptions around the country that nobody could read as it was different from the Devanagari script used by many Indian languages. They were also discovering a wide corpus of coins – some with no text and punches, some with multiple local scripts, and some with Greek and other scripts.
While there were many scholars who assisted in the discovery of these mysterious scripts, James Prinsep (1799-1840), an official of the East India Company, and Christian Lassen (1800-1876), a professor of Indian languages and literature at the University of Bonn, took the lead in cracking the code.
In 1834, Prinsep visited an ancient column in Allahabad that contained an undeciphered inscription in what he called Script No. 1. While Prinsep was able to make deductions of the characteristics of the script as consonants with vocalic inscriptions, they were stumped at identifying the consonants. The breakthrough came in 1836 when Lassen deciphered a bilingual coin of the Baktrian King Agathokles. The King’s name was rendered in the singular genitive in both Greek and Prakrit (the ancient Indian vernacular) Agathuklayesa (in Script No 1: 𑀅𑀕𑀣𑀲) and Agathokles (Greek: ΑΓΑΘΟΚΛΕΟΥΣ i.e. of King Agathokles). The sya 𑀲 played a critical role in the next Eureka moment. After adding a few more letters from other Greek coins in 1837, Prinsep was able to use this knowledge to decipher the inscriptions at Sanchi.
Noticing two letters at the end of each inscription were always preceded on the left by the letter 𑀲 which the decipherment of coins had shown was the genitive singular – ssa in Pali and sya in Sanskrit – he postulated that this symbolized an offering. In Pali and Sanskrit the verb dana means to give. The noun form is danam. This shares the same Indo-European root as in latin – donare (to give) and donus (gift). With the clues adding up, Prinsep was able to decipher the rest of this script which he discovered was the script referred to in ancient texts as Brahmi. Simultaneously Princep, Carl Ludwig Grotefend, and Lassen in a series of papers between 1835 and 1838 deciphered the other script on Indo-Greek coins – Kharosti.
Prinsep discovered that almost every inscription at Sanchi and the other mysterious inscriptions began with the phrase Devenampiya Piyadasi spake thus. (The presentation then discussed how scholars went about identifying King Piyadasi.) Based on a variety of clues, including Sri Lankan sources, the ruler was identified as the Mauryan Emperor Ashoka – whose name appeared on regnal lists with little information about him. (The presentation then discussed the rise of the Mauryan Empire in the aftermath of Alexander’s invasion of Northwest India, the Mauryan conquest of most of India, Ashoka’s conversion to Buddhism following his brutal conquest of Kalinga, and how references to contemporaneous Greek Kings helped date the reign of Ashoka.) (The presentation then discussed the text on some of the edicts which contain exhortations from Ashoka to follow the Buddhist Dharma, and the location of the edicts all over India.) Interestingly for a monarch who had largely been forgotten until his rediscovery in the aftermath of the decipherment of Brahmi, Ashokan symbols are found in the wheel on the Indian flag and the official seal of modern India.
|CSNS Convention||Chicago Coin Company|
|Harlan J. Berk, Ltd.||Kedzie Koins Inc.|
Items shown at our February 9, 2022 meeting,
reported by Melissa Gumm.
Here are the lots in our much-delayed member auction, postponed due to the Covid-19 shutdowns. The auction will be held near the start of the meeting, after a short time for lot examination. We might accept a few more lots at the meeting, but only for club-benefit lots.
The auction will be called from our in-person meeting room, and all lots must be picked up when the auction ends – that is when all accounts must be settled, too. If you wish to bid but will not attend in person, please make arrangements with a fellow member to bid for you, to pick up your won lots, and to pay for you. We do not know how well the remote-support capabilities of our meeting room will support remote bidders.
Estate of Nick Weiss
Richard Hamilton Consignment
Estate of Phil Carrigan
Robert Feiler Consignment
Estate of Phil Carrigan - Books
March 16, 2022
Attending: Steve Zitowsky (Chair), Dale Lukanich (Asst Chair), Lyle Daly, Greg Gajda, Carl Wolf, Dale Carlson, Mark Wieclaw, John Riley, Rich Lipman, Mike Gasvoda, and Scott McGowan.
Committee Chair Steve Zitowsky called the meeting to order at 7:01PM. Club President Lyle Daly read a statement about public comments and asked individuals to read the statement as published in the Chatter.
Steve Zitowsky reported on the ANA National Money Show in Colorado and that the promotion of the 2022 ANA World’s Fair of Money® (WFoM) at this show went well. CCC members distributed 125 printed copies of a 2-page list of “Chicagoland Things To-Do (not involving coins) in August” during the WFoM. 2,500 printed fiber coasters advertising the ANA WFoM were created and 500 were distributed at the Money Show. Discussions with the ANA indicated details about club meeting rooms during the WFoM are now posted to the ANA website; Parking Passes for Ambassador volunteers and the host club stipend should be about the same as 2021.
Zitowsky mentioned that at the NMS, he and another CCC member were approached by ANA management, regarding a comment to ANA management, by an unknown person, that the CCC host club responsibilities are stressful, and that the Club was “Burnt Out.” Both CCC members indicated that we are an interested and dedicated Club, looking forward to the August WFoM. At this Host Committee meeting, comments were made that we are excited, ready, and raring to go, and as such this should be expressed to WFoM ANA show committee.
Money Talks: Mark Wieclaw reported the April 30th deadline for proposals. Sessions will be Thursday and Friday August 18-19. Sundman Lecture Symposium speakers are still being sought with the theme of “Numismatic Art through the Ages.”
Collector Exhibits: No report, no committee members in attendance.
Ambassadors: Scott McGowan reported the Ambassadors list is the same as at the February meeting, and would be doing another call for Ambassadors soon.
Pages: John Riley reported that signed-up pages are ahead of this time last year and John Kent has been successful at several recruitments.
YN/Scouts Workshop: No report.
Members-at-Large: Mark Wieclaw volunteered to work on a souvenir card for the CCC meeting during the WFoM. Ideas could be CCC at the ANA, CCC 2022 Meeting, or CCC-NYNC Sheet for Short Snorter.
Further comments from the ANA’s Kim Kiick and Jennifer Ackerman indicated that now that the National Money Show is complete, they will ramp up specifics for the 2022 World’s Fair of Money.
No discussion on a joint club dinner with CCC and NYNC at this meeting. The meeting was adjourned at 7:33PM.
Donald E. Stephens Convention Center, Rosemont, IL
August 15-20, 2022 (Monday-Saturday)
Note: Sunday, August 14 may be a workday for some!!
Scott A. McGowan
Secretary, Chicago Coin Club
The “Chicagoland Things To-Do (not involving coins) in August” list is available online at http://www.chicagocoinclub.org/ANA2022TTD, or scan the QR code below.
|Date:||April 13, 2022, First Session|
|Time:||6:45PM CDT (UTC-05:00)|
At the Chicago Bar Association, 321 S. Plymouth Court, 3rd or 4th floor meeting room. Please remember the security measures at our meeting building: everyone must be prepared to show their photo-ID and register at the guard’s desk.
Because things can change between when this is written and we meet, please bring your face covering to the meeting – all attendees must follow the city’s and building’s rules.
This will be our third attempt at a regular in-person meeting in the Covid-19 era. We will try for a better experience than in March, but please be prepared for possible diifficulties.
|Online:||For all the details on participating online in one of our club meetings, visit our Online Meeting webpage at www.chicagocoinclub.org/meetings/online_meeting.html. Participation in an online meeting requires some advance work by both our meeting coordinator and attendees, especially first-time participants. Please plan ahead; read the latest instructions on the day before the meeting!|
You can place a reserve on each lot, and there is no commission
charged to either the buyer or seller. Auction lot viewing will
be held before the meeting starts, and again briefly before the
The auction will be called from our in-person meeting
room, and all lots must be picked up when the auction
ends – that is when all accounts must be settled,
Please find elsewhere in this issue of the Chatter a listing of all auction lots that were known to us by Sunday, March 27.
|Date:||April 30, 2022, Second Session|
|Time:||1:00 PM CDT (UTC-05:00)|
|Location:||At the Central States Numismatic Society (CSNS) Convention, which is held at the Renaissance Hotel & Convention Center, 1551 N. Thoreau Drive, Schaumburg, IL.|
|Featured Program:||Tom Uram
— 2021-22 Morgan & Peace Dollar 100th Anniversary Project: an “After-Action” Report
Morgan and Peace “Rendition” silver dollar coins were welcomed by the numismatic community in 2021 and exist largely due to the legislative lobbying efforts of Chicago Coin Club member Tom Uram. Attend the CCC meeting at the Central States Numismatic Society convention on April 30 and hear Tom speak on the “afterstory” of the issues: from pandemic-disrupted supply chains in 2022 and dilemmas with how to properly catalog the commemoratives to worldwide marketplace reactions.
Unless stated otherwise, our regular monthly CCC Meeting is in downtown Chicago and also online on the second Wednesday of the month; the starting time is 6:45PM CT.
|April||13||CCC Meeting - Club Auction - no featured speaker|
|April||28-30||83rd Anniversary Convention of the Central States Numismatic Society at the Schaumburg Renaissance Hotel & Convention Center, 1551 North Thoreau Drive, Schaumburg, IL. There is a $5 per day admission charge, a 3-day pass for $10, and (maybe) free admission for CSNS Life Members. For details, refer to their website, https://www.centralstatesnumismaticsociety.org/|
|April||30||CCC Meeting - 1pm at the CSNS Convention,
which is held at the Schaumburg Convention Center.
No admission charge for our meeting.
Featured Speaker - Tom Uram on 2021-22 Morgan & Peace Dollar 100th Anniversary Project: an “After-Action” Report
|May||11||CCC Meeting - Featured Speaker - Dale Lukanich on Scrip Issued by Hiram Norton, a Self-Made Man|
|June||8||CCC Meeting - Featured Speaker - to be announced|
|July||13||CCC Meeting - Featured Speaker - to be announced|
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